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I am in deep trouble and need assistance.

One of the roads I commute on has one of those big yellow cameras and I did not notice it until I started getting the speeding fines it was there (it is almost hidden by trees and it is in an area where there are many camera signs but most of the roads do not have any cameras)

I have received 6 speeding offences and now believe more are to come as I pass there every day and usually go over the limit as it safer for me.
(it is a tight road and I drive a motorcycle. It is a place with many crossings and if I speed a bit I tend to get away from crazy people trying to cut me off.)

However all these notices have come now and they are for offences in August.
If I new of the first I would have tried to find another road or slowed down.

I read in your website that these should come with 14 days from the offence and none of them are. (latest one that has arrived is from the 22/08)


Chronology of the NIPs and actual status:

Identified:
Offence on the 13/08 - NIP 24/09 - paid (at time I thought I had only 2 so I paid one and was going to pay the second)
Offence on the 11/08 - NIP 24/09 - Identified COFP 30/09 (was going to pay this at the end of the month as I dont have money at the moment)

Yet to Identify myself:
Offence on the 05/08 - NIP 02/10
Offence on the 07/08 - NIP 02/10
Offence on the 14/08 - NIP 02/10
Offence on the 19/08 - NIP 02/10
Offence on the 22/08 - NIP 02/10

Questions and advice:

1. Are they allowed to send these NIP so far away and can I challenge them on the date alone?

2. If I can't challenge is there a way that I can ask for extra time to pay them? Like pay once a month? Do I need to go to court to ask for that?

3. Since they wont suspend my license until I start identifying myself, would it hurt me asking for extended payment I if identified them at the end of the 20 day notice?

4. I commute there every day so I expect to get more from September, should I wait for them or just try to ask for delay of payment now?
« Last Edit: October 05, 2025, 06:12:55 pm by Believe82 »

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Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
« Reply #1 on: »
First question, is the name and address on the V5C correct, and was it correct at the time of the offences?

Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
« Reply #2 on: »
I read in your website that these should come with 14 days from the offense and none of them are. (latest one that has arrived is from the 22/08)
More specifically to the Registered Keeper (RK) - thus the question above.

Identified:
Offense on the 13/08 - NIP 24/09 - paid (at time I thought I had only 2 so I paid one and was going to pay the second)
Offense on the 11/08 - NIP 24/09 - Identified COFP 30/09 (was going to pay this at the end of the month as I dont have money at the moment)
Offense on the 05/08 - NIP 02/10
Offense on the 07/08 - NIP 02/10
Offense on the 14/08 - NIP 02/10
Offense on the 19/08 - NIP 02/10
Offense on the 22/08 - NIP 02/10
As all of the notifications are around 1+ month after the alleged offence it would seem you are not the RK?

Yet to Identify myself:
As an aside you have no option but to identify the driver.  Failing to do so within the stipulated time will give you more issues (6 points each).  And the NIP being 'late' isn't a defence to failing to nominate.


1. Are they allowed to send these NIP so far away and can I challenge them on the date alone?
As above, more detail needed.  But in simple terms they are 'allowed' but their systems should not allow a NIP to be sent so 'late'. (Unless there's a very good reason to do so)

2. If I can't challenge is there a way that I can ask for extra time to pay them? Like pay once a month? Do I need to go to court to ask for that?
The timelines are fixed - there's no allowance (pre-court) for any leeway.  You can obviously delay the process assuming you keep the deadlines, but it would seem this is heading to court regardless...

3. Since they wont suspend my license until I start identifying myself, would it hurt me asking for extended payment I if identified them at the end of the 20 day notice?
Once you get to 9 points and then you cannot accept any fixed penalties - the matter will be going to court.  Upon hitting 12 points you will receive a totting ban of 6 months unless you can submit a successful 'Exceptional Hardship' plea.

4. I commute there every day so I expect to get more from September, should I wait for them or just try to ask for delay of payment now?
If the matter heads to court then you'll want all offences heard at the same time.

BTW what sort of speeds/limit are we talking here?
« Last Edit: October 05, 2025, 11:40:04 am by JustLoveCars »

Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
« Reply #3 on: »
@Believe82
to further @FuzzyDucks comment.

ARE YOU the registered keeper if not who is? and are THOSE details correct on the V5.
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Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
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First question, is the name and address on the V5C correct, and was it correct at the time of the offences?

Yes they were all correct

Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
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I read in your website that these should come with 14 days from the offense and none of them are. (latest one that has arrived is from the 22/08)
More specifically to the Registered Keeper (RK) - thus the question above.

I am the RK and only driver of the vehicle.

Identified:
Offence on the 13/08 - NIP 24/09 - paid (at time I thought I had only 2 so I paid one and was going to pay the second)
Offence on the 11/08 - NIP 24/09 - Identified COFP 30/09 (was going to pay this at the end of the month as I dont have money at the moment)
Offence on the 05/08 - NIP 02/10
Offence on the 07/08 - NIP 02/10
Offence on the 14/08 - NIP 02/10
Offence on the 19/08 - NIP 02/10
Offence on the 22/08 - NIP 02/10
As all of the notifications are around 1+ month after the alleged offence it would seem you are not the RK?

I am.

Yet to Identify myself:
As an aside you have no option but to identify the driver.  Failing to do so within the stipulated time will give you more issues (6 points each).  And the NIP being 'late' isn't a defence to failing to nominate.

I just wanted to identify myself as late as possible to get delayed payments.


1. Are they allowed to send these NIP so far away and can I challenge them on the date alone?
As above, more detail needed.  But in simple terms they are 'allowed' but their systems should not allow a NIP to be sent so 'late'. (Unless there's a very good reason to do so)

2. If I can't challenge is there a way that I can ask for extra time to pay them? Like pay once a month? Do I need to go to court to ask for that?
The timelines are fixed - there's no allowance (pre-court) for any leeway.  You can obviously delay the process assuming you keep the deadlines, but it would seem this is heading to court regardless...

I see. When would this go to court? After identifying myself or paying the charges? After court can I ask for a delay of payment or some kind of monthly payment?

3. Since they wont suspend my license until I start identifying myself, would it hurt me asking for extended payment I if identified them at the end of the 20 day notice?
Once you get to 9 points and then you cannot accept any fixed penalties - the matter will be going to court.  Upon hitting 12 points you will receive a totting ban of 6 months unless you can submit a successful 'Exceptional Hardship' plea.

They sent me a COFP when I am at 9 points should I wait court to pay that?

4. I commute there every day so I expect to get more from September, should I wait for them or just try to ask for delay of payment now?
If the matter heads to court then you'll want all offences heard at the same time.

OK. Ill delay as much as possible then. And identify at the end of the 20 day period.

BTW what sort of speeds/limit are we talking here?

05/08 - 38mph in 30zone
07/08 - 38mph in 30zone
11/08 - 39mph in 30zone
13/08 - 36mph in 30zone
14/08 - 47mph in 40zone (the road changes the limit on the other direction)
19/08 - 38mph in 30zone
22/08 - 37mph in 30zone
« Last Edit: October 05, 2025, 06:13:45 pm by Believe82 »

Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
« Reply #6 on: »
@Believe82
to further @FuzzyDucks comment.

ARE YOU the registered keeper if not who is? and are THOSE details correct on the V5.

Yes and Yes

Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
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Did the vehicle change hands or did you move recently?

It would be unlikely in the extreme that so many NIPs were issued 'late'.  (But not impossible)

Do you have the V5C to hand?

Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
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Payment isn't going to be a problem (in the short term). After you have accepted the 3rd offence, you will not be offered a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty as another 3 points would cause you to tot up.

So all the following offences will see you attending court, at which you will banned for 6 months unless you can come up with a compelling exceptional hardship argument that court accepts. Court fines can sometimes paid in instalments.

Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
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Did the vehicle change hands or did you move recently?

It would be unlikely in the extreme that so many NIPs were issued 'late'.  (But not impossible)

Do you have the V5C to hand?

No I haven't moved in over a year.

The V5C did not change hands.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2025, 06:14:01 pm by Believe82 »

Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
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Payment isn't going to be a problem (in the short term). After you have accepted the 3rd offence, you will not be offered a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty as another 3 points would cause you to tot up.

So all the following offences will see you attending court, at which you will banned for 6 months unless you can come up with a compelling exceptional hardship argument that court accepts. Court fines can sometimes paid in instalments.

Alright this is good news. I will wait to end of next week then to identify the others.


Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
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The V5C did not change hands.
Sorry to press but when I said 'to hand' I meant fish it out...

Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
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The V5C did not change hands.
Sorry to press but when I said 'to hand' I meant fish it out...

I have it at hand yes

Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
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The V5C did not change hands.
Sorry to press but when I said 'to hand' I meant fish it out...

I have it at hand yes
At the bottom of page 2 is a DOC REF date in DD MM YY format - what does it say?  (This is the date the DVLA issued this V5C)

Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
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What is the date after the DocRefNo. at the bottom of page 2 of your V5C?
Chronology of the NIPs and actual status:

Identified:
Offense on the 13/08 - NIP 24/09 - paid (at time I thought I had only 2 so I paid one and was going to pay the second)
Offense on the 11/08 - NIP 24/09 - Identified COFP 30/09 (was going to pay this at the end of the month as I dont have money at the moment)

Yet to Identify myself:
Offense on the 05/08 - NIP 02/10
Offense on the 07/08 - NIP 02/10
Offense on the 14/08 - NIP 02/10
Offense on the 19/08 - NIP 02/10
Offense on the 22/08 - NIP 02/10

NIP <date> is meaningless as written. Is that the date the NIP was issued (the date printed on the NIP) or the date it was delivered?

What is the date at the bottom left of page 2 of your V5C (just to the left of the barcode)?
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