Author Topic: ZZPS is chasing contravention dated Oct 2020 on behalf of Euro Car Park Ltd.  (Read 3680 times)

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Hi,

This was a surprise that ZZPS is still chasing 3 and half-year-old contravention. Please advise on this situation.

Many thanks

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How about providing a bit more background if you want some advice?

In the meantime you may want to consider these points:

1. ZZPS (debt collectors) are a third party to any alleged debt you owe ECP and therefore cannot do anything except try to scare you into paying the, by now, exaggerated charge. They will use scary words like "CCJ" and "bailiffs" in the hope that you are low hanging fruit on the gullible tree and their scare tactics will cause you capitulate and pay into the scam.

2. Ignore and never communicate with debt collectors. They are powerless.

3. ECP can take you to court any time up to 6 years after the alleged contravention. They can still "chase" until hell freezes over. They just can't take you to court after 6 years.

So, until you provide us with more detailed information, preferably with evidence of the NtK (both sides) and anything you have said or corresponded with them, there is little else we can do.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

You'll need to give us rather more information on the situation for us to be able to advise...

Read this thread: READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide, and provide us as much of the information requested as you are able to.

Thank you!

I tried to look for the thread for further information but couldn't find it earlier. Please see the below thread for the info

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=130276

It is pointless directing us to an old thread where the most important image of the original NtK is missing. You made a poor POPLA appeal and were unsuccessful. You are now in limbo waiting to see if ECP bother to escalate this into a court claim. It is rare for ECP to continue all the way to a court action.

You should know by now that you can ignore all debt collection letters. The only thing you can do for now is wait and see if ECP issue a Letter of Claim. If they ever do, come back for further advice.

If you move address within 6 years of the alleged contravention, make sure you instruct the DPO of ECP to rectify their records with your new address and to erase your old one.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Thank you b789!

Hello again,

Received Notice to transfer to solicitors by GCTT. Little confused as initially it was ZZPS and not GCTT enforcement agents?

Please see below:
https://ibb.co/GMV2PVp

Keep waiting for a Letter Before Claim.

It's just more debt collector rubbish. use it to line the bottom of a hamster cage.

A letter of claim must state so (or Letter before action or before claim etc>) and must give 30 days to respond and must also include a bunch of forms (that you do NOT fill in). When you get one of those, come back.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

That letter is complete BS but designed to scare, no material transfer has happened, ECP still own the debt and are just asking another debt collector to write you scary letters in the hope you are naive enough to fall for it and pay up.
There are motorists who have been scammed and those who are yet to be scammed!

Thank you all!

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Remembered posting this PCN on Pepipoo years ago but cannot remember what had happened.


With an issue date of 6th February, you have until 25th February to submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS). By submitting an AoS, you would then have until 4pm on Tuesday 11th March to submit your defence. If you do not submit an AoS, then you have until 4pm on Tuesday 25th March to submit the defence.

If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Otherwise, here is the defence and link to the draft order that goes with it. You only need to edit your name and the claim number. You sign the defence by typing your full name for the signature and date it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order.

When you're ready you send both documents as PDF attachments in an email to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The claim number must be in the email subject field and in the body of the email just put: "Please find attached the defence and draft order in the matter of [claimant] v [your full name] Claim no.: [claim number]."

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

[Claimant]

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts)

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant attaches to this defence a copy of a draft order approved by a district judge at another court. The court struck out the claim of its own initiative after determining that the Particulars of Claim failed to comply with CPR 16.4. The judge noted that the claimant had failed to:

(i) Set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions relied upon;

(ii) Adequately explain the reasons why the defendant was allegedly in breach of contract;

(iii) Provide separate, detailed Particulars of Claim as permitted under CPR PD 7C.5.2(2).

(iv) The court further observed that, given the modest sum claimed, requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, the judge struck out the claim outright rather
than permitting an amendment.

5. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim for the Claimant’s failure to comply with CPR 16.4.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Thank you!

What is the use of submitting an AoS and what will be the consequences if chosen to skip it?

Do we have to provide any case reference when we say  ''The Defendant attaches to this defence a copy of a draft order approved by a district judge at another court'' or we are referring to this format as the draft order?