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Re: ***URGENT***Need to present this week a N244 to set aside CCJ by defult
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Is the difference in name very obvious or is it simply something like "Rams Bottom" instead of "Ramsbottom"?

You keep popping these little nuggets into the thread which is making it difficult to assist effectively.

For now, I suggest you write to Gladstones and inform them of the issue with your name. make sure that you put your correct name on anything to do with the claim.

Hi @b789

I contacted the solicitors with the following message, and they responded as shown below. Am I in trouble? They mentioned amending the claim form, not my name.
I have already submitted my application to set aside the judgment on 8/11/24 and have paid the required fee. Many thanks!

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Subject: Error in defendant's name - Case XXXXX

Dear Mrs NAME,
 
I hope this message finds you well.
 
I wanted to bring to your attention a mistake in the defendant's name on the court documents related to the case XXXX.
 
I reviewed the copy of the court form you sent me by email on 24/10/2024. 
 
After consulting with the court, I have been advised that Gladstone Solicitors will need to request an amendment to correct this error.
 
Best regards,


***Reply***
They change the subject

Subject: xxxxxx / xxxxxx / Parking Control Management (UK) Limited -v- (My last name with mistake)
To: xxxx@gmail.com

Dear Mrs CORRECT NAME
 
We write further to your email dated the 12th November 2024.
 
Whilst noted, we are surprised the court staff have provided you with legal advice, as they are not legally trained to do so.
 
To be clear, there is no requirement for this firm to amend the claim firm, nor will we be doing so.
 
Further, as it is not our intention to expend any further time in dealing with this matter, we confirm any further emails from you will be placed on file for completeness, but will not be responded to further, save and except to accept service of any application you make to set the judgment aside.

 
Kind regards,
***************


Re: ***URGENT***Need to present this week a N244 to set aside CCJ by defult
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After consulting with the court, I have been advised that Gladstone Solicitors will need to request an amendment to correct this error.
When and how did you "consult with the court"?

Re: ***URGENT***Need to present this week a N244 to set aside CCJ by defult
« Reply #32 on: »
You don't sign formal documents in a legal matter "Regards"!!! You start "Dear Sir" or with the persons last name if you know it and you sign off with "Yours faithfully" if you don't know the person or "Yours sincerely" if you do know the person you are writing to.

These are not your chums. Your message is not sentient and cannot care whether the person is well. Keep it all formal. This is not a huggy-feely matter.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Re: ***URGENT***Need to present this week a N244 to set aside CCJ by defult
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Since the N244 application has already been submitted, there’s no need to take further action on the name correction at this stage. The court will review the application as it stands, and you can bring up the name error if the issue arises in court or if you have the opportunity to submit further statements. For now, it’s best to wait for court directions or any instructions for the hearing.
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Re: ***URGENT***Need to present this week a N244 to set aside CCJ by defult
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After consulting with the court, I have been advised that Gladstone Solicitors will need to request an amendment to correct this error.
When and how did you "consult with the court"?

This was last weeek before sending my N244.
I called to Civil National Business Centre (CNBC) and I told them about the problem with my name. They told me I cannot change it that the claimant has to change it.

@DWMB2

Re: ***URGENT***Need to present this week a N244 to set aside CCJ by defult
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Since the N244 application has already been submitted, there’s no need to take further action on the name correction at this stage. The court will review the application as it stands, and you can bring up the name error if the issue arises in court or if you have the opportunity to submit further statements. For now, it’s best to wait for court directions or any instructions for the hearing.

Many thanks!

Re: ***URGENT***Need to present this week a N244 to set aside CCJ by defult
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Just clarify, the response from Gladstones, was that received before or after you had submitted the N244 application?
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Re: ***URGENT***Need to present this week a N244 to set aside CCJ by defult
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Just clarify, the response from Gladstones, was that received before or after you had submitted the N244 application?

After.

I applied on the 08/11/2024.

I sent the email on 12/11/2024. I received their response today, 13/11/2024.

@DWMB2 @b789
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Re: ***URGENT***Need to present this week a N244 to set aside CCJ by defult
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Hi @b789 and all.

Hope you're doing well.

My hearing is in person on Monday, 28/04/2025. I have received a hard copy of my application from the court and an email from the claimant's solicitors with their witness statement attached.

1. Should I print extra copies of my application and the claimant's witness statement to bring with me on Monday?

The hearing is scheduled for 15 minutes, and the claimant will not be attending. When I present my case,

2. do I need to speak and show the exhibits at the same time?

Many thanks!!!

Re: ***URGENT***Need to present this week a N244 to set aside CCJ by defult
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When did you receive the claimants Witness Statement? You need to host a suitably redacted copy of it on either DropBox or Google Drive so we can review it and provide any last minute advice. However, we should have been told about this the moment you received it!

Which court is the hearing at?

You have submitted your application with the WS, draft order and any other evidence. Just make sure you understand your application and what points of law you are relying on.

Whilst Gladstone's have said they won[t be attending, they will most likely send an advocate from some local law firm who will have very little clue about the case. However, don't let them try to trick you. Don't let them try to say that it is your fault that the claim was sent to the wrong address because you failed to update your V5C document when you moved.

They were still bound to perform a credit reference trace as more than 12 months had passed since the date of the alleged contravention.

The claim itself was defective and should have been struck out because it failed to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

The claim is dead as more than 4 months have passed since it was made, CPR7.5.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: ***URGENT***Need to present this week a N244 to set aside CCJ by defult
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I have received their WS on 2/04/2025. Apologies for the last minute message.

I have enclosed the claimant WS.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cPPCLWW_fQc4Ztd4mawCRhCPPeotrilS/view?usp=drive_link

The court is the Croydon's County court CR9 5AB

In regards to my court papers, from the court, I did not receive a hard copy of the draft order I submitted to the court, though I received hard copies of everything else. The draft order I sent was in Word format. Is this normal?

Many thanks @b789

Re: ***URGENT***Need to present this week a N244 to set aside CCJ by defult
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I'll have a read of the claimants WS but I wish you'd shown that to us when you received it as you could have submitted a supplementary WS to counter most of the rubbish in the claimants statement.
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Re: ***URGENT***Need to present this week a N244 to set aside CCJ by defult
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OP, would you know the whereabouts of their letter to you at the address obtained from 'Trace UK', it's not in their bundle?

Taking their and your account:

You received the PCN(Notice to Keeper) which you unsuccessfully appealed;

You received their rejection;

You received and ignored the subsequent solicitor's letter sent to the 'Trace' address which, according to them, asked you to verify this as your new address;

You're now seeking the assistance of the court to set aside the default judgment on the grounds that because you chose to ignore their letter subsequent notices were sent to the wrong address.

Apart from spelling mistakes, the above becomes apparent from a quick read of their WS and your opening posts.

What if the judge - cutting through the arguments and counter-claims about CPR this and that- asks the same question i.e. did you receive and ignore their Trace letter? And if you say yes, what might this mean for your application and should you prepare yourself accordingly?

Re: ***URGENT***Need to present this week a N244 to set aside CCJ by defult
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Here is what you do for tomorrow. First of all, print off three copies of this Skeleton Argument that you can give to the judge when you first talk to him/her. Make a copy for yourself and a spare, just in case the claimant does send an advocate:

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IN THE COUNTY COURT AT CROYDON
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

Parking Control Management (UK) Ltd


Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



SKELETON ARGUMENT FOR SET ASIDE APPLICATION


1. Introduction

This is the Defendant’s application to set aside the default judgment entered in May 2023 pursuant to CPR 13.2 and, in the alternative, CPR 13.3.

The Defendant respectfully submits that the judgment must be set aside because:

• The Claimant failed to properly serve the claim form (breach of CPR 6.9).

•More than four months have passed without valid service (CPR 7.5).

• The Particulars of Claim are defective (breach of CPR 16.4).

• The Defendant acted promptly upon discovering the CCJ.

• Justice requires the Defendant be allowed to defend the claim properly.

2. Defective Service (CPR 6.9)

The Defendant did not receive the claim form.

The Claimant served the claim form to an outdated address, despite:

• Knowing that the Defendant had appealed the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) in January 2020.

• Failing to undertake reasonable steps to ascertain the Defendant’s current address, as required by CPR 6.9(3).

• Not taking sufficient steps such as a soft trace before issuing proceedings.

The judgment was wrongly entered, and set aside is mandatory under CPR 13.2.

3. Claim Has Expired Unserved (CPR 7.5)

The claim form was not properly served within four months of issue, as required by CPR 7.5.

The Claimant has not applied to extend time or to validate defective service under CPR 6.15 or CPR 6.16.

Therefore, the claim has expired and must be struck out.

4. Particulars of Claim Are Defective (CPR 16.4)

The Particulars of Claim do not disclose a concise statement of facts as required by CPR 16.4(1)(a).

The Defendant relies on persuasive appellate case law:

• Civil Enforcement Ltd v Ming Tak Chan (2023) [E7GM9W44]

• Car Park Management Services Ltd v Charles Akande (2024) [K0DP5J30]

The Particulars of Claim fail to set out sufficient detail of the alleged contract, breach, or cause of action.

5. Claimant’s Witness Evidence is Deficient

The Claimant’s witness statement has been made by a solicitor’s paralegal who has no first-hand knowledge of the events giving rise to the claim.

Under CPR 32.4(1), a witness statement must contain evidence which the maker would be permitted to give orally. The paralegal cannot properly give oral evidence about the alleged parking event, the alleged debt, or the service of the claim.

Further, Practice Direction 32, paragraph 18.2 requires a witness to distinguish between matters of their own knowledge and matters of information or belief, identifying the source of any information. The Claimant’s witness statement does not comply with this requirement.

The Defendant has no opportunity to cross-examine any person with direct knowledge of the material facts. Accordingly, it is respectfully submitted that the Court should treat the Claimant’s evidence with caution and little weight.

In any event, this hearing concerns solely the procedural issues surrounding the setting aside of the Default Judgment, not the substantive merits of the underlying claim. It would be procedurally unfair for the Claimant to attempt to plead or litigate their case at this stage before the Defendant has had the opportunity to file a Defence.

6. Claimant Has Not Rebutted the Procedural Failings

The Claimant has failed to properly rebut:

• That service was defective (CPR 6.9).

• That the claim expired unserved after four months (CPR 7.5).

• That the Particulars of Claim are fatally defective (CPR 16.4).

The Claimant’s attempt to shift responsibility onto the Defendant regarding V5C details is misconceived, as the vehicle was sold and there was no ongoing obligation.

7. Promptness

The Defendant discovered the CCJ in October 2024 and has acted promptly thereafter in applying to set it aside.

8. Relief Sought

The Defendant respectfully asks the Court to:

• Set aside the Default Judgment entered on [date of CCJ].

• Strike out the claim for failure to serve and/or expired service and/or defective Particulars of Claim.

• Alternatively, permit the Defendant to file and serve a Defence within 14 days.

• Order the Claimant to pay the Defendant’s application costs of £303.


Signed:


Date:

Follow this guide on what to bring with you and what to say:

What to bring:

• Application form (N244)
• Witness statement (bring two extra copies as spares)
• Exhibits (any evidence)
• Draft order
• Skeleton argument (3 copies. 1 for the judge, 1 for the advocate if there is one and one for you)

What to do:

• Arrive at least 30 minutes early.
• Sit on the Defendant’s side.
• When asked, say:

"Good morning, Judge. I have a skeleton argument. May I hand it to you?"

• Give one copy to the Judge, and one to the other side if they attend (if not, keep it).

What to say: Start by saying:

"This is my application to set aside the default judgment from May 2023. I was not properly served. The claim expired after four months. The particulars of claim are defective. I acted promptly when I found out."

Key points to explain:

• Service was wrong. They sent the claim to an old address. They knew I had appealed in 2020 and failed to check my current address.
• The claim is dead. More than four months passed without proper service (CPR 7.5).
• Their particulars of claim are defective and do not state a cause of action. They do not give enough detail about what they are claiming.
• Their witness is not a real witness. It’s a paralegal with no first-hand knowledge. (CPR 32.4 and PD32 18.2.)
• I acted promptly. I applied as soon as possible after finding out about the CCJ.
• This hearing is only about setting aside the CCJ. It is not a trial of the parking issue.

At the end: Say:

"Unless I can assist further, I ask the Court to set aside the judgment, strike out the claim, and order the Claimant to pay my £303 costs."

I've attached a simple A4 PDF which you can print and keep with you to use as an aide memoire:

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Re: ***URGENT***Need to present this week a N244 to set aside CCJ by defult
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I wasn’t expecting all this, @b789.
This is absolutely perfect :)
Thank you so much for your support!
I’ll keep you posted.