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Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
« Reply #15 on: »
No other documents were enclosed.

I will appeal and complain to DVLA

Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
« Reply #16 on: »
Just received the following reply to my appeal to UKPS by email.

They say they have attached the transfer of liability in the email but there were no attachments. :-\

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Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
« Reply #17 on: »
Ignore. They have not responded to your appeal. They have failed to include the copies of the required documents with the original NtH.

They cannot go back to SEAT if you do nothing. Liability has been transferred. Unless they send you a formal rejection of your appeal, there is nothing more you can do for now. Just keep track of all the correspondence and timeline.

This is going to end when they eventually issue a claim which you will defend with our assistance and it will eventually be struck out or discontinued.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
« Reply #18 on: »
Response from Seat(Vw)

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Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
« Reply #19 on: »
Duh! Respond as follows:

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Subject: Re: Mischaracterisation of PCN 3745727 – Formal Response Required

Dear Lauren Spurway,

Thank you for your response regarding PCN 3745727.

However, your latest correspondence regrettably continues to propagate the same fundamental errors and mischaracterisations found in the original letters from SEAT Financial Services.

To reiterate, UKPS Ltd is not a statutory authority. It is a private parking operator, and any Parking Charge Notice it issues is a civil matter, not a criminal or statutory offence. To describe the matter as a “fine” or refer to UKPS as the “issuing authority” is demonstrably incorrect and potentially misleading under the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008.

You state:

"We would kindly request that the fine is settled directly with UKPS Ltd. Alternatively, if you believe the fine has been incorrectly issued you will need to appeal directly with the issuing authority."

This conflates Penalty Charge Notices, issued under statutory enforcement regimes by public bodies, with Parking Charge Notices, which are non-statutory invoices issued under contract law by private companies. The terms are not interchangeable.

Furthermore, your suggestion that "we have not made any payment for this fine" is appreciated—but it is troubling that your policies seem to allow for unauthorised payment of non-statutory invoices on a customer's behalf. As you are aware (or ought to be), Schedule 4 Paragraph 13 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 allows a vehicle hire company to transfer liability by providing the required hirer information and a copy of the hire agreement. If this has been done, then no liability remains with Volkswagen Financial Services, and certainly no payment should be made.

Accordingly, I request the following:

• Written confirmation that your organisation understands that a Parking Charge Notice from UKPS Ltd is not a fine, not a statutory matter, and does not originate from a public authority.
• A correction of your internal templates and procedures to ensure future correspondence does not refer to civil invoices as “offences” or “fines”, nor describe private companies as “authorities”.
• Confirmation that no further speculative invoices will be paid without the express written consent of the hirer, particularly where Paragraph 13 compliance has been achieved.
• Written assurance that the terms and conditions you refer to do not permit unilateral payment of private parking charges—only statutory fines where liability cannot be transferred.

If your response fails to address these points appropriately, I will consider raising a formal complaint with the Financial Ombudsman Service, and if necessary, with the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO), given your responsibilities as the registered keeper and data controller under UK data protection law, and the serious risk of misrepresentation in your correspondence with the hirer.

Please treat this as a formal complaint unless resolved satisfactorily.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name]
[Agreement Reference Number]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
« Reply #20 on: »
IMO.....

Why this desire to keep touching on peripheral matters, in this case SEAT's misunderstanding of UKPS's status? Frankly OP, this is not central to the issue.

I gave you a simpler suggested response to SEAT some posts ago. Again, I suggest you stick to simplicity and the issue at hand i.e. what docs did they provide to UKPS?

It seems clear from SEAT's response that none of the mandatory docs was provided. Therefore IMO you approach is now:

1. Ascertain from SEAT what docs were provided and when;
2. Assuming that the mandatory docs were not among these, then you appeal to IAS using SEAT's response;
3. When your appeal is allowed THEN you write the sort of letters which have been suggested. But win first. If you opt out of the appeals process then you're prolonging the issue until court finally beckons. Do you really want this?

Some thoughts.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2025, 06:45:28 pm by H C Andersen »

Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
« Reply #21 on: »
Take into consideration that an IAS appeal has less than a 4% chance of being successful. It's your time and effort.

Just to prove a point... this is how the IPC advertise the IAS to prospective AoS members:

Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
« Reply #22 on: »
Each turns on its own facts and depends on the quality and grounds of the 'appeal'.

OP, find out from SEAT what was sent.

Don't assume, ask.
Don't lecture, just ask.
Don't harangue, just ask.

Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
« Reply #23 on: »
Response from
DVLA

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Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
« Reply #24 on: »
Does the email you received with the appeal rejection show or indicate that there were any attachments to it? If it can be used as evidence of the lying behaviour of UKPS, then it should be sent as additional evidence to a Step 2 complaint to the DVLA. Don't send the Step 2 complaint if you can show that the email you received shows or failed to show that there were any attachments, as I would have to amend the wording slightly.

To send the Step 2 complaint, you go through the same steps as for there initial complaint except that the web address is:

https://contact.dvla.gov.uk/head-of-complaints

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Subject: Step 2 Escalation – Misuse of Personal Data and Deliberate Misrepresentation by UK Parking Solutions Ltd (UKPS)

Dear DVLA Head of Complaints,

I am writing to escalate my complaint regarding the misuse of my personal data by UK Parking Solutions Ltd (UKPS) to Step 2 of your complaints process.

This matter concerns not just technical breaches, but deliberate misrepresentation by a DVLA-approved KADOE user, acting in direct violation of the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) and the terms of the KADOE contract.

Background

As clarified in your Step 1 response, my data was not released to UKPS by the DVLA directly, but was passed to them via a Transfer of Liability by the vehicle’s registered keeper, Volkswagen Financial Services UK Ltd.

However, UKPS is a KADOE account holder, and the conditions of use attached to KADOE data access apply regardless of how the data was obtained. The purpose of the KADOE contract is to ensure that AOS members process personal data lawfully, proportionately, and in full compliance with the PPSCoP — including when pursuing charges via hirer liability under Schedule 4 to the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA).

Substance of the Complaint – Deliberate False Representation

UKPS issued a Notice to Hirer (NtH) which falsely states that it encloses all four documents required under Paragraph 13(2) of PoFA. In reality, none of these documents were enclosed. This was not an accidental omission — the covering page explicitly asserts that the documents are included, which makes this a deliberate misrepresentation.

This was not an isolated incident. UKPS has now repeated the false claim in their written response to my appeal. They stated that the Transfer of Liability was “attached,” when in fact nothing was enclosed. This is consistent with the earlier Notice to Hirer, which similarly claimed that four PoFA-mandated documents were included — when they were not. The repeated nature of these omissions, accompanied by false assertions that the documents were provided, demonstrates deliberate misrepresentation and unlawful data processing, not administrative error. This is a clear abuse of DVLA-sourced personal data, and one that warrants regulatory action.

The effect of this is that UKPS is:

• Asserting that the statutory requirements of PoFA have been met (when they haven’t);
• Knowingly processing personal data on a false legal basis;
• Misleading the recipient about their liability in order to extract payment.

This goes far beyond mere sloppiness. It is a calculated and mendacious act designed to fabricate the appearance of PoFA compliance and shift liability unlawfully.

If the DVLA accepts such conduct at face value, then it is allowing the integrity of the vehicle register to be undermined by rogue operators. The PPSCoP and KADOE contract become meaningless if operators can simply lie about their compliance and continue to access and process personal data without oversight or consequence.

Recommendation

Perhaps it is time the DVLA stops assuming that operators are acting in good faith and starts investigating whether they are, in fact, lying. I strongly suggest that the DVLA conduct a sting operation — for example, by hiring a vehicle and deliberately breaching a term in a car park operated by UKPS. The resulting NtH is likely to contain the same false assertion that the required documents are enclosed, when in reality they will not be. This would serve as hard proof that the breach is systemic and deliberate, not accidental.

Request

I am therefore asking the DVLA to:

• Investigate whether UKPS’s actions amount to a breach of the KADOE contract and PPSCoP;
• Determine whether the deliberate false assertion of PoFA compliance invalidates the legal basis for processing my personal data;
• Consider enforcement action including suspension or termination of KADOE access if breaches are established;
• Acknowledge that “self-certification” by operators is wholly inadequate when clear evidence exists of falsified statutory compliance.

Please confirm receipt of this escalation and provide a Step 2 complaint reference. I am happy to provide copies of the NtH and supporting evidence again if required.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name]
[Original DVLA Complaint Date / Reference Number]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
« Reply #25 on: »
Received this in the post from UKPS the other day.

So the email didn’t have any attachment but the postal response did…

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Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
« Reply #26 on: »
OP, with respect we know this.

As far as can be seen, the sum total of VWFS's response was the email which makes NO reference to attached docs, therefore they couldn't have been provided.

But if you ASK them, they'll tell you.

Seems pretty straightforward to me. Any appeal to IAS is given the best chance when you have the BEST evidence and not assertions. Don't be put off by other people's experiences: your case, your facts.

This is a matter of LAW and I can't see why we're dodging it.

Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
« Reply #27 on: »
There are copies of four documents required to be PoFA compliant that UKPS should have included with their NtK.

(a) a statement signed by or on behalf of the vehicle-hire firm to the effect that at the material time the vehicle was hired to a named person under a hire agreement;

(b) a copy of the hire agreement;

(c) a copy of a statement of liability signed by the hirer under that hire agreement; and

(d) a copy of the NtK that was sent to the Keeper.

All we have see is (a). Did you receive copies of b), (c) and (d)? Of course you didn't. Therefore, the operator has not complied with all the requirements of PoFA to be able to transfer liability from the unknown (to them) driver to you, the known Hirer.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
« Reply #28 on: »
The best way to prove that you didn't receive these documents is to prove that they weren't in the creditor's possession...to do which you get a statement from VWFS.... by writing and asking them.

Re: UKPS PCN for leased car at Wing Yip Cricklewood London
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Response from SEAT:

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Thank you for contacting Seat Financial Services.

A complaint has been opened for your concerns to be investigated, and a formal full and final response sent to you at the end of the investigation. You will receive an acknowledgement in the next 3-5 days, and your case handler will have up to 8 weeks for the investigation.

Your complaint reference number is FLE-747262.

Can you confirm the best correspondence method for if we should contact you, whether that should be telephone, email or letter please. Following this can you confirm the best way to send you a full and final response whether that be letter or email please.

Please confirm you are happy for us to contact you via this email address without further verification?

Should you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us.

You can also find lots of information on our website at myseatfinance.vwfs.co.uk or please call our customer services team on 0330 100 8913 between 9AM – 6PM from Monday to Friday and 9AM – 1PM on Saturday.

Kind Regards
Lauren Spurway