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Hi All

Just got a parking charge notice from UKPC as the driver of the car has apparently "Not Parked Correctly within the markings of the bay or space".

I can see from the picture that car does appear to slightly over to one side but as the car is a 2 door and 4 people were on board, it would have been impossible to get out of the passenger side without touching the car in the next bay as the spaces are so small.

Is there any point in challenging this or am I on a hiding to nothing?

Thanks very much for your time.

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Re: UKPC PCN - Not Parked Correctly - Capitol Leisure Park Preston
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One last point, I'm not sure where that sign is but it doesn't look to be near the car.

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No one who follows the advice given here pays a penny to UKPC. Their signs do not comply with the PPSCoP and the charge for breaching any terms is hidden and not adequately brought to the attention of the driver.

Also, their Notice to Keeper (NtK) is not fully compliant with all the requirements of PoFA 2012, which means they cannot transfer liability from the unknown driver to the known Keeper. There is no evidence that the vehicle was parked for longer than the minimum consideration period of 10 minutes for the driver to be able to find, read, understand the signs with the terms and conditions. So, evidence of a contract formed because they have not complied with POFA paragraph 9(2)(a) which requires that a "period of parking" be stated on the notice.

Any initial appeal will be reject3ed but they are then obliged to provide a POPLA code for a secondary appeal. In the meantime, the PCN is appeals by the Keeper as follows:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. UKPC has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. UKPC have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Thank you so much for taking the time to respond.

I know you can never say 100% but has UKPC ever made an example of people and pursued them to the very end, costing everyone a fortune?

I am all for challenging these types of things but do you have an idea of how this will play out? I'm just nervous about things like debt collector visits.

Thanks again.


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Not that I'm aware of. UKPC will effectively be out of the picture now and it is DCB Legal that is running this. There is ample evidence of any claim for a single PCN issued by DCB Legal being discontinued before the trial fee has to be paid.

You are part of a scam that attempts to extract money from individuals by abusing the court system. Sadly, the vast majority of recipients of these claims have no idea how to deal with them and most end up being ignored or not responded to correctly and a default CCJ is issued. No human intervention needed.

Of all the cases I and others on here have been involved with over the years, DCB Legal issued claims for sums under £600 are never concluded in court if they are defended, even if badly. Their modus operandi is to push all the way to the deadline for the trial fee to be paid and then discontinuing.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Thanks once again for your help, it really is appreciated.

Sorry for all the questions, but one further point which I'm not sure if it muddies the waters at all.....

Shortly before the PCN was issued we moved house and so I received this letter as part of a paid for redirect (expires July 2025). At this moment in time, I have not updated my V5 or driving licence with my new address. My driving licence address is still listed at a family members house where I can easily be contacted so I am not concerned from that side.

Should I tell them my new address (or even just that I have one) as part of my appeal?

Do you think I should update my v5 now?

I don't want to do anything wrong but at the same time I don't want to make life easy for them if I don't have to.

Thanks again.
   


Re: UKPC PCN - Not Parked Correctly - Capitol Leisure Park Preston
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The address on your driving licence is irrelevant here, but the one on your V5C is relevant. You should send a data rectification notice to UKPC as well as updating the V5C itself. This notice should instruct UKPC to update its records with your current address for service and to erase the old address it holds.

If nothing else, not updating the V5C is an offence in itself, although rarely prosecuted.
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Re: UKPC PCN - Not Parked Correctly - Capitol Leisure Park Preston
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You are right to be cautious and b789's post sets out the future in that if the keeper did not prevail at POPLA then they would be in for months if not years of chase-up letters implying everything up to being hung, drawn and quartered. If at any part of this process you lost track of them, then you could end up with a default judgment against you. DCB Legal's reluctance to pursue matters to the point of paying the 'trial' fee is well-known, 'no matter how badly' defended. BUT it must be defenced and once you've embarked on this course you must see it through, even if it takes a long time.

IMO, you could defend this at POPLA due to there being NO evidence (in the NTK) that the breach extended beyond the 'consideration' period. IMO, this plays to a defence against the Code of Practice - which POPLA MUST consider - as opposed to the legal procedural issue as to whether for the purposes of this type of breach it is necessary to give a period of parking beyond a simple moment in time. However, if the entrance/exit were covered by ANPR and this shows that the time on site was well beyond the 10-minute consideration period (and this was adduced in their evidence) then a POPLA assessor might infer that the car was parked for this period.


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Whilst it would be nice to get this cancelled at the POPLA stage, it really does not matter if it isn't. An unsuccessful POPLA decision is not binding on the Keeper and there is no obligation to pay.

It just means that it would then go on to the litigation stage which is actually to your benefit as you would then have an opportunity, possibly, to actually put your case to a truly independent arbiter. However, even in the event of litigation, I have never seen a UKPC claim issued by DCB Legal that has been defended, continue all the way to a hearing.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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I must admit I am getting a little more nervous about this but I have now submitted the recommended appeal. I added a further note to the appeal to state change of address as well as having to give my (new) address as part of the appeal form. Do you think this is enough? Or should I make further contact regarding the change of address?

I have now had the following response which I assume is automated. Do I now sit and wait?

One final point, do you think I will need to gather evidence and attend hearings? As much as I hate what these people are doing, I’m just thinking about the cost of mine and all you good people’s time in getting this sorted.

“Thank you for your appeal submission. UKPC confirm receipt of your on-line appeal.

Your charge will be placed on hold whilst under appeal and we will aim to respond to you by formal letter/e-mail to the address supplied within 28 days, should you not receive a response within this time, please contact our information line on 0333 220 1070.

If you have selected a response by e-mail, please check in all mailboxes including spam.

Please do not respond directly to this email as it is automatically generated and you will not receive a reply.

If you have already been issued with a final letter in response to a previous appeal and you are not providing any further evidence to substantiate your case, then please do not expect a response from us.“

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As I already said, this will not get as far as any hearing as they will discontinue or any claim will be struck out. I seriously doubt that you'd be the first in over 500+ discontinuations over the last two years that they started monitoring this over on the MSE forum.

It is no good telling anyone about your address change in a POPLA appeal and you were not advised to do it that way. Data Rectification Notice (DRN) must be sent to the DPO of UKPC and it MUST instruct them to update their data to reflect your current address for service and to erase your old address. The highlighted words are there for a reason, so use them.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Thanks b789

I wasn't intending on telling POPLA about my change of address, I meant that I had told UKPC as part of my appeal to them. I was asking if that enough or do I need to contact them separately?

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You have to send the DRN to the DPO. Their contact info is int he privacy section of their website.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Hi I sent the DRN to the DPO and used the words highlighted. They have come  back and asked for proof of address.

Do I need to provide this? I obviously will do if I need but don’t want to do anything I don’t need to.

Cheers.

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Is the V5C up to date with the correct address? If so, just send a copy of the front of that document.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain