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Re: UKPC PCN - No Payment - Lower Precinct Shopping Centre, Coventry
« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2024, 04:27:00 pm »
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Let us know when you have completed the AoS and we will provide the defence and draft order to go with it which will be submitted as PDF attachments to an email.

I've completed the AoS and received a confirmation.

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Re: UKPC PCN - No Payment - Lower Precinct Shopping Centre, Coventry
« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2024, 04:47:28 pm »
OK. So, plase confirm that the claimant is using DCB Legal as their solicitor.

The only things weldon't need to see in the Claim form are your personal details, the claim number, your MCOL password and the VRM (which you haven't redacted, no biggie). Everything else is OK to show.

UKPC is the claimant and  are clients of DCB Legal who have filed the claim for them? Correct?
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Re: UKPC PCN - No Payment - Lower Precinct Shopping Centre, Coventry
« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2024, 10:51:03 pm »
Yes, that is correct 👍

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Re: UKPC PCN - No Payment - Lower Precinct Shopping Centre, Coventry
« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2024, 12:10:04 am »
Here is the defence you should use. You only need to edit the claimant name, your name, the claim number and then sign it by typing your full name for the signature and also date it.

Below is also a link to the Draft Order which should also be sent with the defence. Both documents must be saved as PDF files which are attached to a single email addressed to claimresponses.cnbc@ justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The email subject must contain the claim number. In the body of the email, just state that the defence and a draft order are attached in the matter of [claimant name] v [your name] Claim No.: [claim number].

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

[Claimant's Full Name]


Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE


1. The Defendant denies any liability for this claim. The allegation that the vehicle was on site in excess of the paid-for time or parked without making a valid payment is refuted.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16.7.5;

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts);

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state exactly how the claim for statutory interest is calculated;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC states that the Claimant is suing the Defendant as the driver or the keeper. However, the Defendant is, in fact, the hirer of the vehicle. The Claimant should not be permitted to plead alternative causes of action without accurately identifying the correct legal status of the Defendant.

4. The Defendant has attached to this defence a copy of an order made at another court which the allocating judge ought to make at this stage so that the Defendant can then know and understand the case which he/she/it faces and can then respond properly to the claim.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence
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Re: UKPC PCN - No Payment - Lower Precinct Shopping Centre, Coventry
« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2024, 09:56:21 am »
Amazing! Thank you so much 🙏❤️

That's all done and sent off ✅

What usually happens next, out of interest?

Thanks again.

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Re: UKPC PCN - No Payment - Lower Precinct Shopping Centre, Coventry
« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2024, 10:13:10 am »
Did you receive an auto-response from the CNBC? You must receive the auto-response otherwise it hasn't been received by them.

The next thing will be a letter from the claimants solicitor stating that they have received a copy of your defence, possibly with a copy of their DQ form. Nothing for you to so.

Keep checking your MCOL history at least once a week to see when they have sent your own N180 DQ. You can pre-empt this by downloading your won here:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66a8b019ce1fd0da7b592f43/N180_0724.pdf

You can just complete it and have to ready for sending when you get notice that yours has been sent by the CNBC. The actual one is sent by post but you will be sending your completed one as a PDF attachment by email to both the CNBC and the claimants solicitor.
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Re: UKPC PCN - No Payment - Lower Precinct Shopping Centre, Coventry
« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2024, 09:59:26 pm »
Thanks for all your help so far 🙏❤️

My wife received the following in the post this weekend...

https://imgur.com/CoDBVit

https://imgur.com/JRQqw45

I have completed https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66a8b019ce1fd0da7b592f43/N180_0724.pdf following these guidelines 👇

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The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".
To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".
C1: "YES"
D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question."
F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option
F3: "1".

In section E, 'About the mediation appointment' the form says, "If you do not provide contact details for mediation, your appointment may not take place, which could then result in sanctions for non attendance."

Does that mean I should also complete that section?

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Re: UKPC PCN - No Payment - Lower Precinct Shopping Centre, Coventry
« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2024, 01:25:05 am »
Since May this year, it has been mandatory to “attend” a mediation phone call. Provide your details.

When you get the call, just offer £0 and it will be over in minutes. Mediation is not a part of the judicial process. There is no judge or solicitor involved.
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Re: UKPC PCN - No Payment - Lower Precinct Shopping Centre, Coventry
« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2024, 06:27:56 am »
Thanks for your prompt reply. N180 DQ sent ✅

For my wife's peace of mind I asked ChatGPT...

“According to ftla.uk, do most cases concerning DCB Legal actually go to hearing or not?”

It replied with…

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According to discussions on ftla.uk, the majority of cases involving DCB Legal do not proceed to a court hearing. Users have reported that DCB Legal often discontinues claims before the hearing stage, particularly when a robust defence is presented. For instance, in one case, a user noted that DCB Legal discontinued their claim just before a fee was due, suggesting a pattern of withdrawal when faced with strong opposition. Another user mentioned that DCB Legal typically discontinues claims before any hearing, especially if the defence is solid. This trend indicates that while DCB Legal initiates many claims, they often do not follow through to a court hearing, especially when defendants actively contest the claims.

Is that your experience?

(I also included the above to aid any future searches)

Thanks again 🙏❤️

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Re: UKPC PCN - No Payment - Lower Precinct Shopping Centre, Coventry
« Reply #39 on: November 18, 2024, 07:50:42 am »
It is safe to say that in over 99% of all claims initiated by DCB Legal, as long as they are defended, no matter how weak the defence, they are discontinued before the trial fee is paid.

They rely on the gullibility and ignorance of their victims to pay up once litigation starts. We only see a fraction of the hundreds of thousands of claims issued by DCB Legsl every year. We know their modus operandi.

They make a fortune out of the huge numbers of people that simply pay up, it is not worth their effort to push all the way to a hearing where they are likely to lose anyway. Issuing claims is a “loss leader” for them.
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Re: UKPC PCN - No Payment - Lower Precinct Shopping Centre, Coventry
« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2025, 05:28:10 pm »
My wife's mediation call is on Friday.

She's a little anxious because the advice letter said that she has to say what her defence is.

Shall I just make sure she has a copy of this to hand...

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1. The Defendant denies any liability for this claim. The allegation that the vehicle was on site in excess of the paid-for time or parked without making a valid payment is refuted.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16.7.5;

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts);

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state exactly how the claim for statutory interest is calculated;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC states that the Claimant is suing the Defendant as the driver or the keeper. However, the Defendant is, in fact, the hirer of the vehicle. The Claimant should not be permitted to plead alternative causes of action without accurately identifying the correct legal status of the Defendant.

4. The Defendant has attached to this defence a copy of an order made at another court which the allocating judge ought to make at this stage so that the Defendant can then know and understand the case which he/she/it faces and can then respond properly to the claim.

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Re: UKPC PCN - No Payment - Lower Precinct Shopping Centre, Coventry
« Reply #41 on: January 06, 2025, 06:42:50 pm »
I can understand why these things may be nerve wrecking to someone who has not done this before, but the mediation call is not a hearing, and needn't be a cause for concern.

There's no harm in having a copy of her defence to hand, but I'd advise her to avoid getting drawn into any protracted debate over it. It is not for the mediator to assess the strength of either party's case, and if the claimant wants to try and pick holes in her defence, they can do so at a hearing.

I would recommend she does not stray too far from the following key points:

  • She has shared a copy of her defence with the claimant, and stands by its contents
  • She believes UKPC's claim is without merit, and is therefore not prepared to offer any payment to settle the case


Stick to those points, don't be drawn into any protracted debate, or be swayed by anything the mediator or DCB Legal's rep may say. Offer nothing, and don't feel compelled to answer any question you don't wish to
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Re: UKPC PCN - No Payment - Lower Precinct Shopping Centre, Coventry
« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2025, 11:53:49 am »
My wife had her mediation call this morning.

The mediator opened with, "I'm going to ask you what your position is and I've been told by the claimant that this is a copy and paste defense that has been used many times by many people."

F*****g cheeky bastards.

That was a bit of a curve ball for my wife but she held her ground with a £0 offer. I could kind of hear who she was talking to and it seemed like he was on the claimant's side, trying to get my wife to explain her defense.

The mediator said it would progress to court, so what happens now?

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Re: UKPC PCN - No Payment - Lower Precinct Shopping Centre, Coventry
« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2025, 12:55:00 pm »
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I've been told by the claimant that this is a copy and paste defense that has been used many times by many people.
So exactly like their particulars of claim, then  ;D

Just keep following the process and they'll eventually discontinue.
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Re: UKPC PCN - No Payment - Lower Precinct Shopping Centre, Coventry
« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2025, 12:56:41 pm »
Tell your wife "well done" for not giving in. The "internet template" I provided was created by a long serving District Judge and has been tweaked to suit your case. Do you think that the bulk litigators don't use boilerplate templates?

Anyway, you can now expect the case to be transferred to your local county court where it will be reviewed by a case management judge. They will decide whether to issue the draft order or strike the case out or assign a hearing date.

Let us know when you receive the notice of allocation. As already stated, they will eventually discontinue.
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