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Re: Stansted Airport drop off zone
« Reply #15 on: »
@pog000, Unless you start to use the required terminology, we are not going to be able to provide much more advice.

So, have you received a Notice to Hirer (NtH) addressed to you. in your own name or are you saying that what you have received is a Notice to Keeper (NtK) addressed to you in your own name?

You are not and never have been the Registered Keeper of the vehicle! You are only the Hirer!
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Stansted Airport drop off zone
« Reply #16 on: »
This is dispute resolution, not Rumple of the Bailey! There is nothing criminal about a civil contractual dispute.

However, in civil cases like parking disputes, courts can draw adverse inferences from a party’s behaviour or omissions, but it’s not quite the same as the criminal caution about harming your defence by staying silent. There’s no formal warning like that in civil law, but if you fail to raise a key point early on—especially if it’s something you later try to rely on—the judge may give it less weight or even infer that it wasn’t a genuine issue at the time.

That said, your appeal clearly sets out your position: you are the registered keeper, not the driver, and you’ve explained why the operator cannot rely on the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) to hold you liable. You’ve also made it clear that the location is not relevant land and that the parking charge is based on alleged contractual terms, not statutory bylaws. This kind of direct and early explanation significantly reduces the risk of any adverse inference being drawn later.

In short, as long as your key arguments have been made early—like you’ve done here—there’s no real concern about a court making a negative inference due to silence or delay.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Stansted Airport drop off zone
« Reply #17 on: »
Don't know weather its me being stupid but......


I have tried to log in to APOCA website and its asks for pcn number with only 2 letters, but my pcn has 3 letters???

Am i being stupid here??

Re: Stansted Airport drop off zone
« Reply #18 on: »
Try different combinations of the letters.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Stansted Airport drop off zone
« Reply #19 on: »
You’re not being stupid. There are serious problems with the web pages for APCOA’s drop off PCNs at Stansted and Luton. If you can’t make it work, send a complaint and also the wording of your appeal to UK_Customer_Complaints@apcoa.com
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Re: Stansted Airport drop off zone
« Reply #20 on: »
Hi

This is not correct any more at Stansted, the barriers have been removed for express drop off and pick up. Perhaps since the start of this year



All Stansted parking is barrier controlled.

It seems that the op has his vehicle registered to an account with Stansted Airport parking which allows entry/exit to the car parks and payment to be made later via his account.  On this occasion he hasn't paid in time.

As a regular visitor to the airport it may have been wiser to have set up the account with auto-pay.

Edit: to clarify

Re: Stansted Airport drop off zone
« Reply #21 on: »
Hi

This is not correct any more at Stansted, the barriers have been removed for express drop off and pick up. Perhaps since the start of this year



All Stansted parking is barrier controlled.

It seems that the op has his vehicle registered to an account with Stansted Airport parking which allows entry/exit to the car parks and payment to be made later via his account.  On this occasion he hasn't paid in time.

As a regular visitor to the airport it may have been wiser to have set up the account with auto-pay.

Edit: to clarify

Thank you for that update.  It went barrierless on 23rd January and is now pay online.

Rather fortunately, as a regular visitor I have already opened an account with Stanstead (and Luton) although I wasn't aware that it had gone barrierless since my last visit in December. My next trip should have been last week but another relative made the drop off

Re: Stansted Airport drop off zone
« Reply #22 on: »
Hi

This is not correct any more at Stansted, the barriers have been removed for express drop off and pick up. Perhaps since the start of this year



All Stansted parking is barrier controlled.

It seems that the op has his vehicle registered to an account with Stansted Airport parking which allows entry/exit to the car parks and payment to be made later via his account.  On this occasion he hasn't paid in time.

As a regular visitor to the airport it may have been wiser to have set up the account with auto-pay.

Edit: to clarify

Thank you for that update.  It went barrierless on 23rd January and is now pay online.

Rather fortunately, as a regular visitor I have already opened an account with Stanstead (and Luton) although I wasn't aware that it had gone barrierless since my last visit in December. My next trip should have been last week but another relative made the drop off

No problem. For a while they were offering those that forgot to pay on the first occasion a chance to pay £7 after receiving a Parking Charge letter. Now this has gone up to £25 if you pay within 14 days. A shame as I think if you go over the Dartford Bridge the first time without paying you get the chance to pay later....

Re: Stansted Airport drop off zone
« Reply #23 on: »
Nobody ever has to pay anything, so long as they appeal as keeper and don't identify the driver
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Re: Stansted Airport drop off zone
« Reply #24 on: »
I emailed as above and wrote my appeal in email.



No response as of yet

Re: Stansted Airport drop off zone
« Reply #25 on: »
...and?

They have 28 days to respond
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Stansted Airport drop off zone
« Reply #26 on: »
...and?

They have 28 days to respond


Thanks

Re: Stansted Airport drop off zone
« Reply #27 on: »
Hi


I emailed them my appeal and received no response, but have now received a letter from dept recovery plus!


https://imgur.com/a/hJMZwDU





Do I still ignore this as i have not received notice to hirer?



Thanks for your time.

Re: Stansted Airport drop off zone
« Reply #28 on: »
You can safely ignore any debt recovery letters. They are powerless to do anything except persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.

You never answered questions about this:

Yes it was sent to me.

I paid a reduced fine earlier so i guess they used the details from that to send directly to me.

What EXACTLY do you mean you "paid a reduced fine"?????

This is rapidly becoming FUBAR and we have no clear idea of what you have received or responded to or with.

It sounds as though you did receive an NtH in your name and you paid it at the mugs discount rate. If that is the case, then you threw away good money and are now in a limbo of APCOAs procedural screw ups.

I suggest that if you did pay the charge after receiving an NtH in your name, you complain to APCOA about it and tell them to call off their powerless dogs.

Even if you do nothing about it from here on in, nothing is going to happen and eventually the debt collectors will give up and that will be the end of it.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain