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Re: UKPC - Disabled Parking bay, Badge was with us ...
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It's not a "summons". No crime or offence has been committed. It is simply a matter of contract law, a civil matter.

The details about the breaches of the BPA Code of Practice (CoP) are not really relevant, at this stage. The main thrust of the defence, for now, will be to get the claim struck out. The PoC are woefully inadequate and the point of the Draft Order that goes with the defence is to get the claimant to provide further, detailed PoC so that the defendant can make proper defence.

The Draft Order and the defence have been created with assistance from a long serving District Judge. There is a very long template defence available that has been doing the rounds for quite a few years. However, most judges do not like the defence as it is a very long boilerplate and most don't even bother reading it.

To date, not a single claimant who has been served the order has managed to comply with it and the claims have either been discontinued or struck out. The bulk litigators are renown for being lazy and greedy when overloading the court system with their poorly pleaded claims. Unfortunately, the vast majority of claims issued end up being default judgments. Here, at least, no one simply gives in.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: UKPC - Disabled Parking bay, Badge was with us ...
« Reply #31 on: »
Thankyou for the further clarification.

Lastly,my mac seems not to display the AOS link via dropbox in a coherent manner on my page,  i do have this occasionally but
as long as I follow the instructions from that link by way of logging into the mcol link and the supplied password then thats
enough for the AOS? I’ll of course print out/screenshot each section as I do?   and once entered I’ll come back here and update
this thread accordingly?   

Re: UKPC - Disabled Parking bay, Badge was with us ...
« Reply #32 on: »
I'm a Mac user and the document appears with no issues. Don't try and read the document in DropBox. Download the document to your Mac and then open it with Preview (Should do so automatically when you double click it, unless you have changed settings).

There are some notes in that PDF that are not in the MCOL. For example, there is a warning to not try and use the defence submission in the MCOL. The defence will be sent as a PDF attachment by email. Putting even a comma in the MCOL defence text box will be the sum total of your defence.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2024, 05:56:09 pm by b789 »
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: UKPC - Disabled Parking bay, Badge was with us ...
« Reply #33 on: »
I’ve completed the acknowledgement of service, I haven’t clicked on ‘start my defence’ if thats what you mean

States claim was made 24/09 and the AOS was submitted today 26/09

(in regards to the page displayed, I was able to see it, i use a very high res and duckduck as my browser, sometimes the latter strips out some pages just a little.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2024, 06:16:54 pm by Jogon »

Re: UKPC - Disabled Parking bay, Badge was with us ...
« Reply #34 on: »
Hello, do I need to be filing the defence anytime soon?   

Re: UKPC - Disabled Parking bay, Badge was with us ...
« Reply #35 on: »
Do not use the MCOL to submit your defence. Your defence is submitted as a PDF attachment in an email.

You have over 3 weeks to submit your defence.

Here is the suggested defence and link to the draft order that will accompany it:

Quote
IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

[Claimant's Full Name]


Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies any liability for this claim. A valid Blue Badge was clearly displayed on the passenger seat at the time, which fulfils the requirements for using a designated disabled persons' parking space.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16.7.5;

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has
breached the contract (or contracts);

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state exactly how the claim for statutory interest is calculated;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC states that the Claimant is suing the defendant as the driver or the keeper. The claimant obviously knows whether the defendant is being sued as the driver or the keeper and should not be permitted to plead alternative causes of action.

4. The Defendant has attached to this defence a copy of an order made at another court which the allocating judge ought to make at this stage so that the Defendant can then know and understand the case which he/she/it faces and can then respond properly to the claim.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Short Defence Draft Order

You only need to edit the defence with the claimants name, your name, the claim number and to sign it by typing your full name for the signature and then date it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order.

When ready, email it to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure you receive an auto response from the CNBC. The claim number must be in the email subject and in the body of the email just put "see attached defence and draft order in the matter of {claimant] v {defendant] Claim No.: [claim number].

Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: UKPC - Disabled Parking bay, Badge was with us ...
« Reply #36 on: »
Thankyou for this, it’s much appreciated. 

Just one other point, should it be mentioned anywhere in the defence regarding them disallowing any appeal early on
due to them disallowing any appeal before the latest date it needed to be appealed (see page one here)  or does this muddy the waters of the above defence?

Re: UKPC - Disabled Parking bay, Badge was with us ...
« Reply #37 on: »
Leave that out

Re: UKPC - Disabled Parking bay, Badge was with us ...
« Reply #38 on: »
Just one other point, should it be mentioned anywhere in the defence regarding them disallowing any appeal early on due to them disallowing any appeal before the latest date it needed to be appealed (see page one here)  or does this muddy the waters of the above defence?

It is not relevant to anything. As mentioned above, do not edit anything in the defence except the headers and add your typed signature.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: UKPC - Disabled Parking bay, Badge was with us ...
« Reply #39 on: »
Will do, Thankyou!

Re: UKPC - Disabled Parking bay, Badge was with us ...
« Reply #40 on: »
I didn’t hit the ‘start defence’ in the response forms on mcol but instead
send the aforementioned documents, duly signed as a applicable along with the claim number in the title header of the email, I cc’d myself in and about 30 seconds later I received the automated response from the claim responses team email account.

Will the status summary on the mcol show as updated under the ‘claim history once they have loaded my defence to the portal?

this was their text:
Thank you for emailing the Claim Responses Team in the Civil National Business Centre. Please expect a response to your enquiry in 10 days
 
 
When sending us documents please ensure you comply with the Practice Direction 5B
 

 
Documents not complying will not be accepted, in particular if it is over 10MB or 25 printed pages in size.

Re: UKPC - Disabled Parking bay, Badge was with us ...
« Reply #41 on: »
Update to this:

Received today along with a Directions Questionaire re Settlement/Mediation and them ticking a box that they
agree to it being sent to a small claims mediation service. pah!

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Re: UKPC - Disabled Parking bay, Badge was with us ...
« Reply #42 on: »
Bog standard reply and exactly as expected. Mediation has Ben mandatory for all claims since 22nd May 2024.

Mediation is not a trial and does not involve a judge or a lawyer. It is only mandatory to “attend” the phone call, nothing else. You offer £0 and it is over in minutes. It has no bearing on anything subsequent to it.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: UKPC - Disabled Parking bay, Badge was with us ...
« Reply #43 on: »
No worries, I guess their Small Claims Questionaire they’ve enclosed with their details filled in is
simply them following the procedure, the next i’ll hear is from the cours with a similar one for me to fill out with my details
to fill out? 

On their form its ticked that they agree to mediation (how thoughtful of them). am I to tick the same when I receive the form
from presumably the courts?   I don’t actually see what i should enter into any mediation scenario with them given they still
do not have the details of the alleged driver at the time of the alleged incident?…but if this is the process then so be it.

Re: UKPC - Disabled Parking bay, Badge was with us ...
« Reply #44 on: »
Mediation has been mandatory for all claims since 22nd May 2024. They have simply used an old version of the form.

Mediation is not a trial and does not involve a judge or a lawyer. It is only mandatory to “attend” the phone call, nothing else. You offer £0 and it is over in minutes. It has no bearing on anything subsequent to it.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2024, 04:23:41 pm by b789 »
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain