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To get money out of the cash machine, the driver parked the car on a private land owned by MAK court which has flats on top of a convenience shop with cash machine.
The contravention No parking is permitted at any time.
The driver hardly took no more than 5 minutes to get the cash.
The driver displayed blue  badge in the window properly.
Received a letter addressed to me in post dated 03.10.2024, which I opened today, with a charge amount to pay £60 within 14 days, increase to £100 if not paid within 14 days.
What are my grounds for appeal. I will also try to upload the original letter. I was given 28 days from the date on the letter.










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« Last Edit: October 23, 2024, 01:35:25 pm by DWMB2 »

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A couple of things it would be useful to see:
  • Photos of the signage at the site
  • Any other photos UKCPS have (the website underneath the one photo they have provided should have those)

I note mention of a blue badge, but the space parked in does not appear to be a disabled spot - anything on the signage that explains any special conditions for disabled motorists would be particularly helpful to see.

Copy of letter

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A couple of things it would be useful to see:
  • Photos of the signage at the site
  • Any other photos UKCPS have (the website underneath the one photo they have provided should have those)

I note mention of a blue badge, but the space parked in does not appear to be a disabled spot - anything on the signage that explains any special conditions for disabled motorists would be particularly helpful to see.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7048539,-1.6494286,3a,57.3y,222.57h,89.03t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sBTZdlHVS8rW9KuOW_j2CmA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D0.9662398806719779%26panoid%3DBTZdlHVS8rW9KuOW_j2CmA%26yaw%3D222.57258356423165!7i13312!8i6656?coh=205410&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAyMC4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D


can you get photos of the new entrance sign and any other sign.
The NTK appears to state no parking at anytime which suggests Forbidding so no contract to consider.
It doesn't appear to be Pofa compliant either
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can you get photos of the new entrance sign and any other sign.
The NTK appears to state no parking at anytime which suggests Forbidding so no contract to consider.
It doesn't appear to be Pofa compliant either
Thanks for your rply,
i will try to take pictures tomorrow,
The post above this has a relatively new picture of Budgens shop to one side.

The Street View you have shared is useful for understanding the layout, but we could do with seeing the content of the signage. Both the entrance signs and any inside the car park detailing the terms and conditions.

« Last Edit: October 23, 2024, 11:37:17 pm by boxer29 »


Received a letter addressed to me in post dated 03.10.2024, which I opened today, with a charge amount to pay £60 within 14 days, increase to £100 if not paid within 14 days.

When did you receive the PCN?
The discount is no longer available(14 days beginning on day after that on which it was presumed served/given - which was 7 Oct. therefore 14 days ended 21st).
Post doesn't take this long so what's different in this case e.g. you don't actually live at the address used(the one held by DVLA) or you've been away and it's been on the mat for a fortnight etc?

Anyway, the periods start from 7th not when you opened the PCN.

Putting the PCN to one side for a mo, the driver parked on private land for their convenience- always risky nowadays.


Received a letter addressed to me in post dated 03.10.2024, which I opened today, with a charge amount to pay £60 within 14 days, increase to £100 if not paid within 14 days.

When did you receive the PCN?
The discount is no longer available(14 days beginning on day after that on which it was presumed served/given - which was 7 Oct. therefore 14 days ended 21st).
Post doesn't take this long so what's different in this case e.g. you don't actually live at the address used(the one held by DVLA) or you've been away and it's been on the mat for a fortnight etc?

Anyway, the periods start from 7th not when you opened the PCN.

Putting the PCN to one side for a mo, the driver parked on private land for their convenience- always risky nowadays.

Yes i agree the time of 14 days has passed now.
i don't want to miss the 28 days deadline which is 31st of October.
What are my grounds for appeal, if any.

Thanks

The entrance sig and the wording on the signs in the car park is important so please try ad obtain photos of them please.

Any appeal. for what it's worth, will be on beeches of the Single Code of Practice (SCoP) and no contract offered. However, you should be aware that no appeal is going to be successful. This will only be sorted if/when it goes to the ultimate dispute resolution service, the county court.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

The entrance sig and the wording on the signs in the car park is important so please try ad obtain photos of them please.

Any appeal. for what it's worth, will be on beeches of the Single Code of Practice (SCoP) and no contract offered. However, you should be aware that no appeal is going to be successful. This will only be sorted if/when it goes to the ultimate dispute resolution service, the county court.
Will take pictures over weekend and upload.
Thanks


So, consider a few things... The Notice to Keeper (NtK) is simply an invoice for a breach of terms and conditions of a "contract" between the driver and UKCPS. The "contract" is the terms and condition signs at the location. The driver doesn't have to actually read the signs but as long as there enough signs and they adequately bring to the attention of the driver the charge for breaching those terms, the "contract" is entered into by 'conduct'. The 'conduct' being the action of actually parking there.

Now, here is the problem... If the driver is not a resident of a property at the location, the capability of the sign to form a contractual relationship depends on whether the sign makes a clear and specific offer to non-residents or prohibits their parking.

In the image you provided, the sign specifically states:

Quote
"Parking is only permitted for residents of Mak Court. No parking is permitted for any other vehicles for any length of time."

This wording is important because it suggests the following:

1. Nature of the Offer

The sign does not extend an offer to non-residents. Instead, it expressly prohibits parking by non-residents. This means that a non-resident would not be able to accept the offer because no offer is made to them in the first place.

In contract law, if there is no offer, there can be no acceptance, and therefore no contract.

2. Prohibitive Notice

The sign is a prohibitive notice, rather than an invitation to enter into a contract. Prohibitive notices are used to indicate that no permission is granted for certain actions (in this case, parking by non-residents).

In general, courts have found that prohibitive notices are not capable of forming a contract. For a contract to be formed, there must be an offer for the individual to accept. If parking is explicitly prohibited for certain individuals, they cannot be deemed to have accepted an offer that doesn't exist.

If non-residents park in violation of the prohibition, this should be a trespass issue, not a contractual issue, which would require a separate legal basis for claiming damages (typically limited to actual losses).

3. Case Law Support

In ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67, the Supreme Court made it clear that a sign offering parking on certain terms could form a contract. However, that was in the context of a sign offering parking on specific conditions (e.g., time limits). In contrast, a prohibitive notice does not offer parking to non-residents; therefore, there can be no contractual relationship formed with a non-resident.

Conclusion:

• For a resident: The sign could form a contractual relationship because it offers parking to residents under certain conditions (e.g., they must park in accordance with the rules).

• For a non-resident: The sign cannot form a contract because it explicitly prohibits parking by non-residents. Since no offer is made to non-residents, there can be no acceptance, and thus no contract.

In this scenario, as a non-resident parked and then received a Parking Charge Notice (PCN), the argument is that the sign does not offer parking to them at all, and thus no contract could have been formed. Any charge would need to be pursued under trespass law rather than as a breach of contract.
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