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I joined here today, read some past cases and advice given to parking charge notices issued by UKCPS at Leeds train station.  It is an excellent source of info of how to progress.

I will post here the photos of the letter I received but please bear with me, I need assistance to do this so it will take a few days to do it. Looking at those already provided on here, it is an identical letter for this location, Leeds Station.

From the info I have cobbled together a letter to appeal to UKCPS.  I have cut down the detail as advised. I have also followed a more concise reply to them as found on here (see below).  I did try and thank those who I took info from by using the emojis, but as a first-time user of this site I am not sure I did it properly because the site said "loading" and I'm not sure if the emoji messages were sent... I am grateful for the help you gave to previous cases.

One thing, most of the cases at Leeds Station involve drivers stopping for a very short space of time for passengers to alight.  The driver of this case has a different set of circumstances which I will list here in case there has to be a change to the wording at this stage or the next stage (appeal to the IPS which will also be rejected probably) which will come along soon enough when UKCPS rejects my appeal.

THIS CASE:

We cannot tell from the picture provided where the contravention of stopping is supposed to have happened. 

The driver had left the station's multi storey car park where they had paid for parking for a few hours and was driving away when the photo was taken.  The driver has no recollection of stopping for a purpose. 

The driver believes they did not stop.  If they did stop it was for something very inconsequential and for a very short space of time. Most certainly the car doors were not opened and the engine was not switched off.  The photo provided shows the car has its lights on. 

The driver recalls leaving the car park without any different circumstances, probably following other cars, with pedestrians around and just driving onwards in the flow of traffic. Or, perhaps the car stalled. The driver has checked their phone and text logs and confirms there was no need to pull over to use their mobile.

EDIT: the time frame of stopping is 6 seconds.  Let's all laugh LOUDLY.

Questions:

1. EDIT: the UPCPS web link now works and the timescale is now confirmed to be 6 SECONDS DURATION!!
Should I mention 6 seconds in my appeal to UKCPS?
INITIAL QUESTION: The link provided in the letter does not work so I cannot see additional information on the duration of the time stopped. I assume this is where this information should be because other users have mentioned it and it is not stated in the letter (only the time of the stop). Obviously this information is important to have. How do I deal with this missing information? Presumably it will be for a few seconds.

2. For the IPS when that comes next: 
If we provide information that we had parked in the multi storey car park, can UKCPS identify the driver through the time of departure from multi story car park and the electronic method of payment used?  This could be risky information?

3. I had initially thought it helped to prove that the driver had parked legally and paid in the multi storey, then when the driver left they were driving a short distance through ‘presumably’ railway land to the public road and the car did not stop unless it had to through flow of traffic or pedestrians crossing. Or perhaps the car stalled.  However, it may need careful consideration about divulging it and only necessary at CCJ?

Defence at CCJ if it reaches that point:
4. How can the driver make a defence if they have no memory of stopping?
Will the duration of the stop provide the evidence that the stop was not illegal? As I mentioned above I do not yet have this information because the link in the letter does not work.
is the defence affected because the driver has no explanation?

Thanks for your help! 

It's Christmas Eve and I must do some things, then I will return and I will post the appeal to UKCPS I have done.

In the next few days I will upload the letter from UKCPS

hi jfollows and thank you,

I have edited my post because their web link is working now.

6 seconds is the time of stopping.  6 seconds. 

Should I mention 6 seconds in my short reply to them if only to ridicule them?

Stop!!!!! Do not appeal anything until you have shown us the Notice to Keeper (NtK), both sides. We need to see the EXAXT wording they have used to describe the alleged contravention. We also need to establish exactly where the alleged contravention took place because the multi-storey car park at Leeds Station is relevant land but the station itself is not.

If they are alleging that the driver breach a contractual sign that forbids stopping, then they ar lying because a forbidding sign cannot for a contract with the driver. There are many elements to this that we do not yet know. So, before you do anything else, post photos of the NtK and if possible any supposed evidential photos they may have included on their website.

READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide

Posting Images

Unless you want this to escalate, DO NOT post anything to the parking company until we've seen all the paperwork. I don't see how a parking company could identify a driver through paying at a cash machine. a passenger in the car could be paying for the parking.

Don't panic, it's Christmas and some of us may not want to look in here this time.

That's good to know thank you.  I was not in the car, I am sorting this out as the registered keeper and it was initially difficult because the driver had no recollection of stopping and also the link to the photo evidence did not initially available to help the driver remember.
 
Now that I have seen the photo evidence, it has not helped the driver to remember because the stop was for a few seconds. It's good to know that the driver doesn't need to remember anything more to help me appeal this case. And it's true to say that the driver did have a passenger and I am not sure who paid for the parking. 

I will upload the info hopefully tomorrow so that I can get advice on here before replying to UKCPS. Thanks again.

Hello!
I have got sorted out and got the photos on ibb and can now share them with you.  If you have the time to have a little look I would appreciate it. 

The time of stopping is 5 seconds, I did my maths wrong the other day when I said 6 seconds, hahaha.  Presumably the engine stalled, this is backed up by the vehicle's lights being on then in the last photo the lights are switched off.

Please check the location for me, they give a nice shot of the entire road.

Thank you.

I'm going to add 6 photos:
4 = of the vehicle
2 = side a and b of the charge letter

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photo 2
https://ibb.co/V0kCj037