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I am posting on behalf of a relative that has significant health issues.

He has received 2 letters/speculative invoices from Trace debt recovery on behalf of UKPS alleging that 2 separate “debts” exist for parking contraventions that occurred in Autumn 2019.  The contraventions relate to a vehicle that is registered in his name but he has never been to the car park referenced in the Trace letter.

In addition, he has never seen any begging letters from the PPC requesting money.

Because of his medical conditions he is often in hospital for lengthy periods of time and he suspects that during one hospital admission his vehicle was “borrowed” by the son of his now ex-partner and any letters that did arrive were binned.

I have considered the responses and advice in these threads

https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/trace-debt-recovery-alliance-parking-2020-i-think/

https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/private-parking-ticket-fine-ignored-and-followed-up-by-debt-collection-letters/

Would I be correct in advising him to;

a) Not to contact Trace

b) Sit tight until a Letter of Claim arrives from UKPS and then come here for advice

Given there are now just over 4 months until this matter “times out” in terms of the debt being pursuable is there anything he can do to draw the process out?

Is it likely a LoC will be issued or is this just a last attempt at frightening him into making payment?

Any advice welcome

Many thanks

Ranking Roger
« Last Edit: May 30, 2025, 04:19:57 pm by Ranking Roger »

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Other than the above, the first thing you (or your relative) should do, is dig out the vehicle's physical V5C document and double check that the address on it is correct. I note the point you make about post potentially being binned, but we see a lot of cases on here that go awry due to address issues, so I would strongly recommend checking.

When exactly in Autumn 2019 were the alleged parking incidents? That's not far off 6 years, at which point they cannot sue, so we've a chance of getting this timed out - the key to doing this will be in the timing, so you'll need to keep on top of your relative's post, and let us know as soon as anything is received.

In the meantime, you're correct that you are awaiting a Letter of Claim.

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Thanks for the reply

The V5 details are correct; the alleged contraventions occurred in Oct 2019.

We will sit tight and watch the postbox.

Regards

Ranking

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Can you tell us the exact dates? We will need these if we are to provide advice on responding to a LoC, if/when one comes.

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1st week of Sepetmber 2019

3rd week of October 2019

Regards

Ranking

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Thanks. We'll need the exact dates when you get the Letter of Claim.

I say this in the spirit of wanting to help your relative with their case, so please take it in that spirit: When we ask a question and request a specific answer, it is because we need a specific answer in order to provide you with good advice.

We do not ask for information we don't need, and being vague can make it at best harder to help you, and at worst result in us providing counterproductive advice. You responded to my first request for exact dates by telling us that both contraventions occurred in October 2019. Now it transpires that one occurred a full month before.

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Apologies

I understand the need at times to be precise and also to balance this with an awareness that others might be watching.

Regards

Ranking
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To hopefully put your mind at ease about prying eyes, as of last year UKPS were issuing roughly 100 parking charges every single day - they're unlikely to be bothered to trawl our forum for cases.

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Thanks to Ranking Roger who originally posted for me, I have now received a letter of claim from Moorside legal. What should I do next. ? As I did not commit the offences I do not wish to succumb to the intimidation meted out your these companies. Should I be asking for the evidence they have?
I have to add that i have experienced years of illness and long spells in hospital and I'm suffering ongoing health issues, I don't find this harassment helpful.
I would appreciate any help and advice regarding this matter.
Thanks in advance.

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This is easily dealt with and fortunately, they are using the utter incompetents at Moorside Legal to its a claim.

Please confirm the rest of the content of that LoC. I am not interested in any forms included with the letter. You can safely dispose of those. However, I would like to see the rest of the relevant content of that LoC, such the name of their client, the date of the alleged contractual breach, the PCN number and so on.

This firm has a habit of failing to comply with the Pre Action Protocols for Debt Claims (PAPDC) and I suspect your LoC is no different. A comprehensive response will be provided once I know what else is included with the LoC and the dates of the alleged contractual breaches.

It was mentioned that these were for 1st week of September 2019 and 3rd week of October 2019, however, we need exact dates. For example, the alleged contravention in the first week of September 2019 will time out before they can issue any claim for it as long as the response I give you is emailed to them on 27th August, and we can also force them to pass the date for an alleged contractual breach in 3rd week of October once I know the exact date.

So, before I give you the response which you will need to send on 27th August, please answer the questions about the content of the LoC and give us the exact dates of the alleged contraventions in 2019.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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I have replied before but upon checking it seems my post is missing, here are the details again.2nd September 2019, Exeter Hill car park, Hayridge, Cullompton EX15 1DJ...21st October 2019, the same car park. Moorside are asking for £340.
Do you need any other details ?

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Who is their client? You have shown us the cover letter of their LoC which states "our client"... who is this client? It will be an unregulated private parking firm. It says that they are claiming for multiple charges. That'll be 2 x £100 plus 2 x £70 fake add ons.

Are you saying that the alleged contractual breach for one of the charges occurred on 2nd September 2019? If so, They must issue a claim before 2nd September this year (a week from today) otherwise it is out of time and no county court claim can be made for it.

With a second date of 21st October 2019, that will pass the statute of limitation in just over a month. This is what you need to respond with on Thursday 28th August which will kill the first PCN and we can deal with the second one once they respond. Send it by email to help@moorsidelegal.co.uk and CC yourself:

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Subject: Response to you Letter of Claim Ref: [reference number]

Dear Sirs,

Your Letter Before Claim dated 29 July 2025 contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of evidence your client places reliance upon and thus is in complete contravention of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.

As a firm of supposed solicitors, one would expect you to be capable of crafting a letter that aligns with paragraphs 3.1(a)–(d), 5.1 and 5.2 of the Protocol, and paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. These provisions do not exist for decoration—they exist to facilitate informed discussion and proportionate resolution. You might wish to reacquaint yourselves with them.

The Civil Procedure Rules 1998, Pre-Action Conduct and Protocols (Part 3), stipulate that prior to proceedings, parties should have exchanged sufficient information to understand each other’s position. Part 6 helpfully clarifies that this includes disclosure of key documents relevant to the issues in dispute.

Your template letter mentions a “contract”, yet fails to provide one. This would appear to undermine the only foundation upon which your client’s claim allegedly rests. It’s difficult to engage in meaningful pre-litigation dialogue when your side declines to furnish the very document it purports to enforce.

I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim that complies with the requirements of para 3.1 (a) of the Pre-Action Protocol, I shall then seek advice and submit a formal response within 30 days, as required by the Protocol. Thus, I require your client to comply with its obligations by sending me the following information/documents:

1. A copy of the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) that confirms any PoFA 2012 liability
2. A copy of the contract (or contracts) you allege exists between your client and the driver, in the form of an actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date, not a generic stock image
3. The exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract(s) which is (are) relied upon that you allege to have been breached
4. The written agreement between your client and the landowner, establishing authority to enforce
5. A breakdown of the charges claimed, identifying whether the principal sum is claimed as consideration or damages, and whether the £70 “debt recovery” fee includes VAT

I am clearly entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. I also need it in order to comply with my own obligations under paragraph 6(b).

If your client does not provide me with this information then I put you on notice that I will be relying on the cases of Webb Resolutions Ltd v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch), Daejan Investments Limited v The Park West Club Limited (Part 20) Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, Charles Church Developments Ltd v Stent Foundations Limited & Peter Dann Limited [2007] EWHC 855 in asking the court to impose sanctions on your client and to order a stay of the proceedings, pursuant to paragraphs 13, 15(b) and (c) and 16 of the Practice Direction, as referred to in paragraph 7.2 of the Protocol.

Until your client has complied with its obligations and provided this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim and to consider my position in relation to it, and it is entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court time) for your client to issue proceedings. Should your client do so, then I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order that this information is provided.

I am currently seeking debt advice and, in accordance with the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims, you are required to place this matter on hold for no less than 30 days from the date of this notification. This request is made pursuant to paragraph 7.2 of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims, which obliges the creditor to allow the debtor reasonable time to obtain advice.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Received this letter from Moorside legal..I could not access the evidence.
We write in relation to the above matter.

 

Please register on our customer portal to view all the evidence requested from our client, including all documents served to the address, signage and photographic evidence.

https://portal.moorsidelegal.co.uk/Login

 

Our answers to your questions are as follows:

• The additional charge which has been levied on each Parking Charge of £70 is the amount set out in both the British Parking Association and International Parking Community Codes of Practice as the amount which may be added to a Parking Charge when a Parking Charge remains unpaid and when further recovery is required. Our Client is a member of the International Parking Community which is a government approved Accredited Trade Association (ATA) for Private Parking. Our Client adheres to the ATA’s Code of Practice. The £70 does not represent the cost of recovery but is a reasonable amount in relation to the Parking Charge amount, in order to encourage early payment of the Parking Charge without the need for debt recovery. It is a fair amount set by our Client’s government-approved Accredited Trade Association Code of Practice. There are however also costs incurred by our client in relation to debt recovery services.

 

• By entering and parking the vehicle on our client's private land, you agreed to enter into a contract with our client and to be bound by the terms and conditions of that contract. The terms and conditions were clearly displayed at the entrance and in prominent places within the car park. Due to your failure to comply with the terms and conditions, our client has issued the PCN therefore if we are instructed to issue a claim the reason would be for Unpaid parking charges/ breach of contract.

 

It is unclear why you would need any agreement between our client and the landowner as you are not a party to that agreement, nor could it aid your dispute or any potential defence.

 

 

We have noted on your account you are seeking debt advice and have placed the matter on hold for 30-days. If you fail to make payment after the 30-day period has lapsed, we may be instructed to issue a County Court Claim against you. 

 

Yours sincerely,

Moorside Legal

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Hilarious. Their utter incompetence knows no bounds. The PCN for the alleged contravention on 2 September 2019 is not statute barred and they can never make a claim for that one. The threatened claim for the 21 October 2019 alleged contravention is almost statute barred and easily dealt with.

Under the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims and the Practice Direction – Pre-Action Conduct and Protocols, the creditor must provide “key documents” and sufficient information to you so you can understand and respond. They can’t make access contingent on you registering with (or trusting) a third-party portal. If you’ve requested disclosure by e-mail or post, portal-only “disclosure” is non-compliant.

Given their reply, I would send a brief, firm rejoinder that (i) refuses portal use, (ii) re-requests documents by e-mail or post, (iii) records that the 02/09/2019 matter is statute-barred, and (iv) puts them on notice re any claim issued without PAPDC compliance. Respond with the following:

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Subject: Your LBC – Ref [reference] — PAPDC non-compliance and limitation

Dear Sirs,

You have directed me to your portal. I am not obliged to use it. As already requested, please provide the documents by e-mail or post. Portal-only access does not satisfy the Practice Direction – Pre-Action Conduct and Protocols paras 6(a)–(c) and the PAPDC paras 3.1 and 5–6, which require you to supply key documents so I can take advice and respond.

Your assertion that a landowner agreement is irrelevant is misconceived. Your client’s standing/authority is a core issue; the agreement is a “key document” for the purposes of the Practice Direction. Please provide it, together with:

• the original NtKs relied upon (showing any PoFA compliance),
• contemporaneous photographs of the signage in place on each material date (not library images),
• the exact contractual term(s) allegedly breached,
• a proper breakdown of sums claimed and the basis in contract for any add-on(s).

The charge alleged for 02/09/2019 is now statute-barred under the Limitation Act 1980 (six years). Any claim issued would be defended and an application made to strike out, with a costs application for unreasonable conduct.

As to any “debt recovery” add-on, I do not accept that any further sum is owed. You are put on notice that any attempt to plead such an add-on will be challenged as an unenforceable attempt at double recovery.

I am seeking debt advice. In accordance with PAPDC para 7.2, the matter is on hold for at least 30 days from my notification. If you issue proceedings without first complying with the Protocol (including supplying the requested documents by e-mail or post), I will seek an immediate stay and costs.

Please confirm within 7 days that you will provide the documents by e-mail or post. I will then respond within 30 days of receipt in accordance with the Protocol.

Yours faithfully,
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain