Author Topic: Trace Debt Recovery - No PCNs received - April 2022 - Daymer Bay Car Park, PL27 6SA  (Read 2752 times)

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I am the registered keeper and owner of the vehicle involved.

Today received a letter from Trace Debt Recovery (on behalf of Alliance Parking UK LTD) saying their client has written to me about parking charges, these are unpaid so it has been passed to them.  The parking charge notice is listed as 22 April 2022.

No PCNs have been received for this location in 2022 or more recently.  The vehicle keeper address has always been the same and at the current address - so this was definitely up to date in April 2022.

I am unsure how to proceed - whether to contact Trace or Alliance - are they allowed to do this when no PCN has been issued in a timely manner?  And I am pretty certain that the driver will have paid any required parking charges, though that's going to be tricky to prove after so much time and cash payment.

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Thanks for any help/advice

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Do not contact Trace in any way. They are irrelevant and only care about your credit card number.
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Ignore Trace. Never, ever, EVER communicate with a useless debt collector. They are powerless to actually do anything except to try an intimidate the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear.

What you must do is confirm with Alliance that they did actually issue a PCN to the correct address. You do this as a formal complaint requiring them to send you a copy of the original Notice to Keeper (NtK). You also put them to strict proof that it was actually sent. Presumption of delivery is rebuttable if the contrary can be proved. They way you do that is by requiring them to evidence that the NtK was posted.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Thank you very much for the reply. A spot more advice / clarification - when I write (as a complaint to Alliance) - am I just asking for copies of the NtK and proof of postage or should I actually state that the NtK has never been received?

Yes. You are complaining that you never received the NtK and you require a copy and proof of posting.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Brilliant. Thank you - will get on it!

As a further update, I have now had a response from Alliance Parking.

Their complaints procedure required that the complaint was sent to an email address - so I did this and added the letter as an attachment.


FORMAL COMPLAINT

I am writing to complain following receipt of a letter from Trace Debt Recovery.  It states that Alliance Parking has written to me about parking charges owed.  The reference on this letter is 386323 and date of charge 22 April 2022.


My complaint is that no Notice to Keeper (NtK) has ever been sent/received – in 2022 or more recently.  Please provide copy of the original NtK and also proof of posting / delivery.



They have responded to say that it is deemed as 'a request for information' and 'therefore has been reallocated as such'.  They also then say I need to provide some form of ID by return to prove that I am the data subject (as opposed to be someone purporting to be them).  They are also trying to push me back to contacting the DRA 'for a faster response time' - which clearly I will not do.


My thoughts are to write back and reconfirm it is indeed a complaint, not simply a RFI, but I would be grateful for your advice.  I am not comfortable with sending them ID by email either.  I can supply a copy of the letter from Trace as evidence, but do not want to send any personal ID.

Be grateful for you advice on next steps.

Their response cut and paste below:


Thank you for your email, the content of which is deemed to be a request for information; therefore, has been reallocated as such.
 
In order for us to process your request, it is necessary for us to be certain that you are the data subject; as opposed to someone purporting to be them.

As such, please provide some form of identification by return; and we will release your data within 1 calendar month.

Please Note: Your case(s) will not be placed on hold pending our response.

Alternatively, for a faster response time, if your case is with our Debt Resolution Agent / Solicitors, they can provide copies of correspondence (usually whilst you are on the call); by contacting them as per the instructions on their letter.

Do not contact TRACE. They are not a party to any contract and cannot resolve disputes. Write back to Alliance, to their complaints email address, confirming this is both a formal complaint and a Data Subject Access Request (DSAR). State you will not provide photo ID by email; they can verify identity using data they already hold (their ref, your VRM, name, and address) and the enclosed copy of the TRACE letter. Under UK GDPR any ID request must be necessary and proportionate; here it is not.

Require them to place the case on hold, recall it from the debt collector, and respond within one calendar month for the DSAR and within a reasonable time for the complaint. Ask for specific evidence: a copy of the original NtK, proof of posting (e.g. batch manifest, mailroom logs, postage receipts), the exact address used, the DVLA KADOE lookup date, all outbound letters or emails since 22/04/2022, ANPR images and logs, payment machine audit where relevant, and a full account activity/history explaining why this was sent to a DRA now.

Reiterate that you are the registered keeper, you do not identify the driver, and if an NtK was not served within PoFA deadlines, there is no keeper liability. Instruct them to stop debt collection while the complaint and DSAR are live and to correspond in writing only.

If they refuse to hold the case, insist on intrusive ID, or fail to respond, escalate to the BPA and make a brief report to the ICO about disproportionate ID demands or failure to comply with a DSAR.

Template to send to Alliance (email and ideally post; keep proof of sending):

Quote
Subject: Formal Complaint and Data Subject Access Request – Ref 386323 (Date of charge: 22/04/2022)

Dear Sir/Madam,

FORMAL COMPLAINT

I received a letter from TRACE Debt Recovery referencing your client reference 386323 (date of charge 22 April 2022). I have never received a Notice to Keeper for this matter at any time.

Please treat this as a formal complaint. I require you to:

• Confirm whether you contend that a Notice to Keeper was issued in 2022 and, if so, to which full postal address and on what date(s).
• Explain why this account has been escalated to a debt collector when the NtK was not received and the matter is disputed.
• Place the case on hold and instruct your agent to cease contact while you investigate and respond.

For the avoidance of doubt, I am the registered keeper. I do not identify the driver. If an NtK was not served in full compliance with Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 within the statutory deadlines, you cannot hold the keeper liable.

Data Subject Access Request (UK GDPR and Data Protection Act 2018)

Separately, I exercise my right of access. Please provide, within one calendar month:

1. A copy of the original NtK and all subsequent correspondence you say was sent in 2022 and thereafter.
2. Proof of posting for each letter (for example batch or postage manifest and mailroom logs) and the exact address used.
3. The DVLA KADOE enquiry date, the data returned by DVLA, and any subsequent address checks or updates including source, date, and result.
4. All photographs, ANPR logs showing entry and exit timestamps, back-office notes, call logs, payment or VRM audit records, and full system event history for reference 386323.
5. Your current privacy notice and the data retention policy that applied in April 2022.

Identity verification

You already hold sufficient identifiers to verify me: my name as registered keeper, vehicle registration [insert VRM], my postal address, and your reference 386323. I attach a redacted copy of the TRACE letter showing the same details. Under Article 12(6) UK GDPR, any request for additional ID must be necessary and proportionate. Emailing photo ID is neither necessary nor proportionate here and introduces avoidable security risk. Please proceed without it.

Conduct while complaint and DSAR are live

Please place the account on hold and recall the matter from debt collection pending your complaint reply and DSAR fulfilment. Confirm in writing that no adverse processing will occur and no further fees will be added while the dispute is outstanding.

If you decline to treat this as a complaint, demand excessive ID, fail to hold the case, or fail to respond to my DSAR within one calendar month, I will escalate to the BPA and the ICO.

Yours faithfully,

[Name]
Registered Keeper of [VRM]
[Postal address]

Attachment: redacted copy of TRACE letter showing ref 386323 and my address
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Hi,

I am in exactly the same situation with different alliance car park and 2 tickets, dated 1st July 2022.

Sending your template with my references. and will keep an eye in case either of us get a response quicker.

Thanks,

@Mini Neko 16 please start your own separate thread. We can't deal with multiple cases in a single thread, even if they are for the same location or operator.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Thanks so much - realised I never replied to say how much appreciated the template letter was.

It's been sent - no reponse so far.
Best, Gilly