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Re: One parking solution - May & Baker club car park
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Whilst the IAS is a farce, we now recommend you send the following generic appeal, simply to force the operator to to pay the IAS £15 if they win, £25 if they lose or, if they are prepared to concede the appeal, it won't cost them anything.

Why make it easy for them?

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I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability for this parking charge and appeal in full.

The parking operator bears the burden of proof. It must establish that a contravention occurred, that a valid contract was formed between the operator and the driver, and that it has lawful authority to operate and issue Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) in its own name. I therefore require the operator to provide the following:

1. Strict proof of clear, prominent, and adequate signage that was in place on the date in question, at the exact location of the alleged contravention. This must include a detailed site plan showing the placement of each sign and legible images of the signs in situ. The operator must demonstrate that signage was visible, legible, and compliant with the IPC Code of Practice that was valid at the time of the alleged contravention, including requirements relating to font size, positioning, and the communication of key terms.

2. Strict proof of a valid, contemporaneous contract or lease flowing from the landowner that authorises the operator to manage parking, issue PCNs, and pursue legal action in its own name. I refer the operator and the IAS assessor to Section 14 of the PPSCoP (Relationship with Landowner), which clearly sets out mandatory minimum requirements that must be evidenced before any parking charge may be issued on controlled land.

In particular, Section 14.1(a)–(j) requires the operator to have in place written confirmation from the landowner which includes:

• the identity of the landowner,
• a boundary map of the land to be managed,
• applicable byelaws,
• the duration and scope of authority granted,
• detailed parking terms and conditions including any specific permissions or exemptions,
• the means of issuing PCNs,
• responsibility for obtaining planning and advertising consents,
• and the operator’s obligations and appeal procedure under the Code.

These requirements are not optional. They are a condition precedent to issuing a PCN and bringing any associated action. Accordingly, I put the operator to strict proof of compliance with the entirety of Section 14 of the PPSCoP. Any document that contains redactions must not obscure the above conditions. The document must also be dated and signed by identifiable persons, with evidence of their authority to act on behalf of the parties to the agreement. The operator must provide an agreement showing clear authorisation from the landowner for this specific site.

3. Strict proof that the enforcement mechanism (e.g. ANPR or manual patrol) is reliable, synchronised, maintained, and calibrated regularly. The operator must prove the vehicle was present for the full duration alleged and not simply momentarily on site, potentially within a permitted consideration or grace period as defined by the PPSCoP.

4. Strict proof that the Notice to Keeper complies with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), if the operator is attempting to rely on keeper liability. Any failure to comply with the mandatory wording or timelines in Schedule 4 of PoFA renders keeper liability unenforceable.

5. The IAS claims that its assessors are “qualified solicitors or barristers.” Yet there is no way to verify this. Decisions are unsigned, anonymised, and unpublished. There is no transparency, no register of assessors, and no way for a motorist to assess the legal credibility of the individual supposedly adjudicating their appeal. If the person reading this really is legally qualified, they will know that without strict proof of landowner authority (VCS v HMRC [2013] EWCA Civ 186), no claim can succeed. They will also know that clear and prominent signage is a prerequisite for contract formation (ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67), and that keeper liability under PoFA is only available where strict statutory conditions are met.

If the assessor chooses to overlook these legal requirements and accept vague assertions or redacted documents from the operator, that will speak for itself—and lend further weight to the growing concern that this appeals service is neither independent nor genuinely legally qualified.

In short, I dispute this charge in its entirety and require full evidence of compliance with the law, industry codes of practice, and basic contractual principles.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Re: One parking solution - May & Baker club car park
« Reply #16 on: »
Thanks. Should I wait x number of days before appealing to IAS?

Re: One parking solution - May & Baker club car park
« Reply #17 on: »
no
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Re: One parking solution - May & Baker club car park
« Reply #18 on: »
They've responded to the IAS within the permitted five working days. I've uploaded some of their files. What's the next step?

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Re: One parking solution - May & Baker club car park
« Reply #19 on: »
You won't succeed with IAS, unless you can prove - not just assert - that their evidence is false in a material regard..and I don't see that you can with what's known.

So, you're in for the long haul of prevarication and hoping that their Particulars of Claim when court proceedings are commenced are materially flawed - which is more likely than you might imagine.

As an aside, this is the first NTK I've seen which indicates that maybe PPCs are catching on to correct terms, in this case the NTK does not mention(because there is no such thing) Parking Charge Notice. There's keeper, driver, parking charge, notice to keeper etc. etc, but not parking charge notice. Or maybe this is just a blip on the received wisdom landscape? 
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Re: One parking solution - May & Baker club car park
« Reply #20 on: »
+1

The intention of the IAS appeal is purely to cause irritation to the operator. We know that IAS appeals are tainted and considered to be nothing more than a kangaroo court. However, it has cost them at least £15 and they have had to respond.

As expected, they have not provided a copy of the contract the flows from the landowner proving that they have authority to issue PCNs or even operate at the site. The facsimile signs that have shown are not evidence of the actual signs in situ.

Simply respond to each point made in the appeal that has not been responded to or evidenced in your response. Not much more you can do for this as it is deliberately stacked against you.

You'll have  much better chance of success if it goes to litigation.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Re: One parking solution - May & Baker club car park
« Reply #21 on: »
Apologies, I completely missed that the operator actually provided a written response as well:

"The operator made their Prima Facie Case on 13/06/2025 16:56:48.

The operator reported that...
The appellant was the keeper.
The operator is seeking keeper liability in accordance with PoFA..
ANPR/CCTV was used.
The Notice to Keeper was sent on 09/05/2025.
A response was received from the Notice to Keeper.
The ticket was issued on 02/05/2025.
The Notice to Keeper (ANPR) was sent in accordance with PoFA.
The charge is based in Contract.

The operator made the following comments...
We note the appellants comments, however it does not exempt them from the terms and conditions of the site. It is the motorists responsibility to ensure that upon parking on private land that they review the terms and conditions of the site and park accordingly. The displayed terms state that parking is only permitted for vehicles with a Valid Digital Parking Session purchased through POPPAY with the full and correct VRM or vehicles who's VRM have been entered into the clubhouse tablet or Vehicles registered with a valid OPS E-permit.

The contravention photos provided show that the vehicle parked on site on site for in excess of 49 minutes. The exemption and payment data provided shows that no payment or exemption was registered for the appellants vehicle and therefore it was not permitted to be parked on site.

We acknowledge the appellants comments, however the assertions made do not affect the validity of the charge. The site and signage have all been approved by the IPC and therefore are compliant.

The IAS has sight of our landowner contract which shows that we have the appropriate landowner authority to enforce parking on site. The contract contains sensitive commercial data and therefore does not need to be provided to the appellant unless ordered by the court.

The Notice to Keeper is POFA compliant and therefore the registered keeper can be held liable for the charge.

By parking on site and making use of the facilities without valid digital parking session or being registered with a valid OPS E-permit the appellant is in direct contravention to the terms and conditions of the site and therefore contractually agree to pay a parking charge."

Re: One parking solution - May & Baker club car park
« Reply #22 on: »
Respond with the following:

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The operator’s response that “the IAS has sight of our landowner contract” is not strict proof and fails to address the specific points raised in the appeal. The request was for strict proof of compliance with Section 14 of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP), which sets out mandatory requirements for landowner authority. These include the identity of the landowner, the scope and duration of the contract, boundaries of the land, enforcement rights, signage responsibilities, and the appeals process, among others.

By withholding the contract from the appellant, the operator prevents any independent verification that the agreement even exists, that it covers this site, that it is still in force, or that it was signed by authorised individuals. The IAS cannot expect an appellant to accept at face value an unverified claim that a private contract meets all requirements, especially when there is no opportunity to test or challenge the evidence.

If the IAS assessor is indeed a qualified solicitor or barrister, which I seriously doubt, they will understand that the request for strict proof exists to ensure the operator is acting within proper legal authority. Without disclosure, the appellant is left with no way of assessing whether the PCN has been lawfully issued.

In addition, it is understood that the land at the former May & Baker Club is owned by the local council. If the operator’s authority to issue PCNs derives from a contract with May & Baker, who were merely a tenant and have since been dissolved, then such authority has lapsed.

Without evidencing a copy of the current contract or agreement authorising enforcement on this land or confirmation of whether the agreement was granted directly by the council, as the landowner, then if no such contract exists with the landowner or their authorised agent, then the enforcement activity is ultra vires and the PCN must be cancelled.

The operator may not be legally required to disclose their contract unless proceedings are issued in court, and the appellant would be more than willing to oblige them with that route. However, if the IAS wishes to maintain any credibility as a fair and impartial appeal body, again, which is doubted, it must recognise that unverified assertions are not evidence and should not be accepted in place of clear, examinable proof.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Re: One parking solution - May & Baker club car park
« Reply #23 on: »
The operator made their IAS response on 24/06/2025 09:13:10.


We re-iterate our prima facie points.

There is no requirement or obligation to provide evidence for 'independent verification'. It is non-sensical to assume that signage can be erected and enforcement can take place without authority.

Evidence of our landowner authority has been provided to the IAS and therefore it is not unverified as the Independent adjudicator will verify its validity. Thus the appellants assertions regarding this and indeed their only point of appeal for not complying with the terms and conditions of site, as is their responsibility, is not relevant nor does it affect the validity of the charge.

By parking on site and making use of the facilities without valid digital parking session or being registered with a valid OPS E-permit the appellant is in direct contravention to the terms and conditions of the site and therefore contractually agree to pay a parking charge.

Re: One parking solution - May & Baker club car park
« Reply #24 on: »
You can respond to that with:

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Rebuttal to Operator’s Prima Facie Response:

1. No Obligation to Provide Evidence for Independent Verification: This is a legally baseless claim. The burden of proof lies entirely with the operator. Assertions do not equate to evidence. The operator is not exempt from substantiating their standing, especially when challenged. It is not “non-sensical” to demand proof that the party issuing charges has the requisite legal authority to do so. In fact, this is a foundational legal requirement—as confirmed by VCS v HMRC [2013] EWCA Civ 186.

2. “Evidence of Authority Provided to IAS”: The operator admits to withholding this from the appellant. This deprives me of any opportunity to scrutinise or challenge the alleged landowner contract—a clear breach of procedural fairness. A redacted or boilerplate template agreement, filed secretly with the IAS, fails to meet the standard of strict proof required by Section 14 of the IPC Code of Practice. If the IAS assessor is legally qualified, they will know that evidence is not deemed proven simply by being asserted or handed in behind closed doors.

3. “Non-Compliance with Terms and Conditions”: This allegation presumes contract formation, yet the operator has provided no site map, no images of signage, and no proof that signage was visible, legible, and compliant with the IPC Code of Practice on the date in question. Without that, there is no proof that any contract was capable of being formed—let alone breached.

4. Presumed Agreement to Charges: The operator contends that use of the site equates to contractual agreement. But if the signage is inadequate or the operator lacks authority, then no valid contract can arise. This is basic contract law. One cannot enforce terms the other party was neither adequately informed of nor capable of accepting.

Conclusion:

The operator’s assertion that signage inherently proves authority is absurd and would be laughed out of court. The notion that enforcement can occur without strict proof of landowner authority—documented, unredacted, and contemporaneous—is legally unsustainable. If such flimsy reasoning were put before a district judge, it would be promptly dismissed for failing to meet basic evidential standards.

The IAS insists its assessors are legally qualified, yet this cannot be verified. Their determinations are unsigned, anonymised, and offer no indication of legal reasoning. Yes, decisions are published—but the anonymity and opacity of those involved does little to inspire confidence in either their legal standing or procedural integrity. If they truly were solicitors or barristers, there would be no professional reason to conceal their identities. Transparency is the hallmark of genuine legal process—not secrecy.

The IAS has acquired a reputation as a kangaroo court precisely because it routinely upholds parking charges without requiring operators to meet evidential thresholds that would be compulsory in litigation. If the assessor in this case chooses to rely on unsubstantiated claims and ignore the strict legal requirements I’ve set out, I can only conclude—based on the reasoning and the concealment—that they are not legally qualified.

Should the operator rely on any IAS outcome to pursue court action, I will be more than ready to defend the matter robustly. In a real court, with a real judge, procedural shortcuts and speculative assertions won’t pass muster.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Re: One parking solution - May & Baker club car park
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The operator made their response on 30/06/2025 11:57:51.


We re-iterate our prima facie points,

We are not legally required to provide commercially sensitive information to the appellant and the appellants understanding of such legal requirements are fundamentally flawed.

If the charge progresses to court and is order, then all documents can be provided
Response to Operator

Re: One parking solution - May & Baker club car park
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The operator’s response again evades the core issue and misrepresents the purpose of this appeal. The request was not for disclosure under legal compulsion but for strict proof in line with the requirements of Section 14 of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP). This Code sets out mandatory prerequisites for a valid parking charge, and operators seeking to rely on their contractual authority must provide clear, examinable evidence to support it.

The operator has failed to do so.

No one has demanded the disclosure of confidential financial terms. However, the mandatory elements set out in Section 14.1(a) to (j) are not commercially sensitive and must be open to scrutiny in any fair appeal process. This includes identifying the landowner, defining the area of enforcement, confirming the duration and scope of the contract, and showing who signed it and on what authority.

The operator claims that such documents can be provided “if the charge progresses to court,” yet still asks the IAS to uphold a charge based on a contract they refuse to disclose. This is procedurally unfair. It prevents the appellant from verifying whether the operator is acting with the landowner’s authority—especially relevant in this case, where the land is understood to be owned by the local council and the former tenant (May & Baker) is now dissolved.

Unless the operator is willing to confirm that its agreement is directly with the landowner or their authorised managing agent, and supply a copy of that agreement (redacted only for financial terms), the IAS cannot reasonably conclude that the charge was lawfully issued.

The operator’s continued refusal to provide evidence calls into question whether any valid authority exists at all. If the IAS wishes to uphold standards of fairness and transparency, the appeal must be allowed.

However, given the IAS’s reputation and my own view that it is not an impartial or independent body, should this appeal be rejected, I look forward to challenging the matter in court—where the operator will no longer be able to hide behind the opaque and one-sided process that the IAS continues to endorse.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Re: One parking solution - May & Baker club car park
« Reply #27 on: »
The adjudicator dismissed the appeal. Is there anything else that can be done?

"It is important that the Appellant understands that the adjudicator is not in a position to give his legal advice. The adjudicator's role is to look at whether the parking charge has a basis in law and was properly issued in the circumstances of each particular case. The adjudicator's decision is not legally binding on the Appellant (it is intended to be a guide) and they are free to obtain independent legal advice if they so wish. However, the adjudicator is legally qualified (a barrister or solicitor) and decides the appeal according to their understanding of the law and legal principles.

The terms of this appeal are that I am only allowed to consider the charge being appealed and not the circumstances of other drivers or other parking events. The guidance to this appeal also makes it clear that I am bound by the law of contract and can only consider legal challenges not mistakes or extenuating circumstances. I am satisfied that the Operator's signage, which was on display throughout the site, makes it sufficiently clear that the terms and conditions are in force at all times and that a PCN will be issued to drivers who fail to comply with the terms and conditions, regardless of a driver's reasons for being on site or any mitigating factors. While noting their comments, it is clear from the evidence provided to this appeal that the Appellant did indeed enter and use the site otherwise than in accordance with the displayed terms by failing to ensure that their vehicle was properly registered with a valid E-permit or exemption on this occasion, having been allowed an adequate consideration period prior to the charge being issued. It is the driver's (rather than a third party's) responsibility to ensure that the terms and conditions of parking are properly complied with. I am satisfied on the evidence provided that the Operator has the authority to issue and enforce PCNs at this site. I am further satisfied as to the location of the contravention, that the correct vehicle has been identified entering and exiting the chargeable area at the times suggested in the images provided and that the correct Appellant is pursued.

I am satisfied that the Operator has proven their prima facie case. Whilst having some sympathy with the Appellant's circumstances, once liability has been established, only the Operator has the discretion to vary or cancel the parking charge based on mitigating circumstances. Accordingly this appeal is dismissed.
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Re: One parking solution - May & Baker club car park
« Reply #28 on: »
Means nothing. Typical kangaroos court. You should show this to your MP.

What this supposed legally trained to solicitor or even barrister level (more likely barista) assessor has written wouldn't stand even the slimmest scrutiny in a real court.

For now, just ignore all the incoming useless debt recovery letters. Debt collectors are powerless to do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.

Come back when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC).
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Re: One parking solution - May & Baker club car park
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0 8 1 5 3 3 9 6 MAY & BAKER EASTBROOK COMMUNITY CLUB LIMITED

Publication date in the Gazette: 03/06/2025
The Registrar of Companies gives notice that, unless cause
is shown to the contrary, the Company will be struck off
the register and dissolved not less than 2 months from the
date shown above.
Upon the Company's dissolution, all property and rights
vested in, or held in trust for, the Company are deemed to be bona vacantia, and will belong to the Crown.



The issue of under whose authority OPS are acting is front and centre of this matter IMO.