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Re: ticket for parking at a hospital
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2024, 01:52:57 pm »
You have to leave all dates showing please.

You will have to appeal within 28 days of the issue date of the NtK. It is likely that any appeal to Premier Pro is going to be rejected. What you want is a POPLA appeal number that comes with the rejection of your appeal to the NtK.
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Re: ticket for parking at a hospital
« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2024, 06:25:24 pm »
hello they rejected my appeal. quite frustrating as they say the health board said it was where emergency vechiles couldnt get past, which is rubbish. I have been to the hopsital many time since, and cars are always parked here. it looks like a space, because there is no sign up, i think this is totally appalling. when i emailed pals, they said they were sorry and wished they could cancel it, but told me to appeal it.
the emergency vechiles do not come anywhere near this part of the car park, plus there is so much space.
i am pregnant,and also my children are disabled so i have a blue badge.
the signs are on the other side of the road, and where i parked i genuinely thought was a space, see attached images, where i have circled a mini, that is where i parked.
as i say every time i come to the hospital cars are parked here. can someone help me with an appeal.
https://imgur.com/a/FxlfNS8

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Re: ticket for parking at a hospital
« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2024, 01:31:57 am »
Not to worry. You were already advised that Premier Park would reject any appeal. The next stage is an appeal to POPLA.

The POPLA code is valid for 33 days from the date of the appeal rejection, not 28 days as it says on the letter. You have plenty of time to put this together.

Looking at the photo you have shown, I cannot see any ground marking delineating a bay where any of the cars are parked, never mind where the driver parked. Can you get some more photos of the general area to show the state of the car park and ground markings. Also a shot of the sign as it appeared from where the car was parked. Not a close up. Just how it would appear  within the general layout.
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Re: ticket for parking at a hospital
« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2024, 12:09:10 pm »

i am pregnant, and also my children are disabled so i have a blue badge.

Which, as you should know, is irrelevant here, lets stick to the tried and trusted methods not go off on a tangent of no use.
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Re: ticket for parking at a hospital
« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2024, 11:59:17 am »
Hi hero, no there are no parking lines in the whole carpark, and where i parked it is just a blank space like the rest of the carpark
the sign wouldnt be visible from where i parked, it is on the opposite side. im going to the hospital next friday, i can try and take some more photos, it is quite tricky because the carpark is always full and you cant really stop anywhere but i can do my best
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Re: ticket for parking at a hospital
« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2024, 12:07:35 pm »
Photos of the state of the ground markings are crucial. After you find somewhere to park on your next visit, it is worth your while to go to the location and take those photos.
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Re: ticket for parking at a hospital
« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2024, 04:16:02 pm »
OP, just to pick up on a couple of points from your posts:

I looked around, there was a sign on the other side of the road, saying no parking, but it clearly was for that side of the road. there were NO ROAD signs saying no parking where i parked.

There is no 'other side of the road', it's a car park and signs apply spatially i.e. setting out parking conditions which apply to the area, not individual spaces.

Your first post doesn't mention that you were carrying children and therefore if you weren't and you don't hold a BB in your own name then it is a misleading point.

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Re: ticket for parking at a hospital
« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2024, 04:22:25 pm »
As mentioned where i parked, appeared to be a parking space, every time i come to this hospital cars are parked there.
there are no markings so it looks a space.
to be honest i dont understand why it isnt.
i will try and take some photos. yes i had my kids with me.

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Re: ticket for parking at a hospital
« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2024, 05:29:50 pm »
Don't worry about HCA, he can be very onerous and is a stickler for details, not that that is a problem, but they are not always necessary, at least in a civil action such as this. For now, we need to see the state of the ground markings where the driver parked and at the other "bays" nearby. The signage in a general view of the location and maybe a single close up of the terms on the sign.

As you were not using a disabled bay, mention of the blue badge is irrelevant as is the fact that you had children with you or not. POPLA willingly consider facts in law and the BPA Code of Practice (CoP) to determine whether the PCs was issued correctly.
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Re: ticket for parking at a hospital
« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2024, 11:30:12 am »
thankyou, will do, im going to the hosptial next friday, so ill take as many photos as i can, thankyou very much for your help

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Re: ticket for parking at a hospital
« Reply #40 on: July 19, 2024, 04:19:20 pm »
hiya, right i visited the hospital today, and i took lots of photos, see here
https://imgur.com/a/XNbLx8F
what i noticed they have now tput tape around where not to park, and also 1 cone in the centre between where myself and another car parked. in the photos from today, it is space next to the red car i parked in.

I did attach a sketch, and also another image of another car parked there at a previous time i visited.
to help .

the road markings are barely visible and to me this space still seems like it is one.
could someone help me compile a appeal for popla asap
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Re: ticket for parking at a hospital
« Reply #41 on: July 19, 2024, 04:45:50 pm »
All very good evidence for POPLA. However, in your line drawing, you have admitted to being the driver. I suggest you edit that to say "where the driver parked".

Did the operator provide evidence of the NtD attached to the vehicle?

To start, list all the issues you want to appeal such as (but not limited to):

1. The PCN does not fully comply with all the requirements of PoFA so the keeper cannot be liable.
2. The operator has not shown that the person they are pursuing is the driver.
3. The signage does not comply with the requirements of the BPA CoP.
4. The signs do not adequately bring to the attention of the driver the charge.
5. The signs cannot form a contract with the driver.
6. There are no ground markings at this site to delineate bays where a driver can and cannot park.
7. The operator does not have a valid contract flowing from the landowner allowing it issue PCNs in its own name.

Throw the kitchen sink at them. Do a bit of research based on the above and put together what you think is a good appeal. Show us before you send anything and we will critique it and assist in formatting it.

You have until 9th August to submit your POPLA appeal. That's 3 weeks away.
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Re: ticket for parking at a hospital
« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2024, 07:44:00 pm »
thanks hero, i meant to say i have not had anything in the post. the only thing i received was this  via email.https://imgur.com/a/FxlfNS8
shouldnt i get it in the post as well? or not

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Re: ticket for parking at a hospital
« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2024, 08:00:29 pm »
No. You have had a response by email. You have the POPLA code in the attached letter.
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Re: ticket for parking at a hospital
« Reply #44 on: July 19, 2024, 08:14:19 pm »
Their rejection actually supports the appeal point #5 in b789's suggested list... How can a sign that declares "Strictly No Parking" form the basis of a contract to park in exchange for 100?