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Stopping in a private parking
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The driver got a parking ticket after briefly stopping in a private parking spot. The car was there for less than 60 seconds — the driver only pulled in because they were waiting for another car to move so they could park outside the private parking area, and they didn’t want to block the traffic. From the provided photos, it seems the car moved and did not remain parked.
The reduced fine expires on the 26th. Based on this, do you think the driver should pay it or try to appeal?
Thanks for any help.





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Re: Stopping in a private parking
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The pictures appear to show the car on a public road?
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The invitation to the keeper to pay the charge is not on this part.

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Those two images show that the vehicle was not stationary between the two photos, 37 seconds apart. It has clearly moved from the first photo to the second photo.

Their Notice to Keeper (NtK) is not PoFA compliant. They cannot hold the Keeper liable in law if the driver is not identified.

It it's not a "fine" and calling it such is simply evidence that you are low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree who could be intimidated into paying it out of ignorance and fear. Of course you don't pay into a scam like this. Why on earth would you even contemplate it? If I send you a speculative invoice for £100 but offer you fantastic one time offer of a 40% discount, do you simply pay it because that sounds like a bargain? Black Friday?

This would never stand a chance in court if it were to ever reach that far (highly unlikely). There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. LDK has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. LDK have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

Come back when they reject that appeal (they will), and we will advise on your POPLA appeal.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Someone from online group advised me to appeal based on these points.
I have picture from council proving its a public pathway.

I quote:

1. The keeper was not the driver

2. The driver briefly stopped to read the signs to see if you could park. Once read, the driver didn't agree with the terms and drove away. The consideration period is a minimum of 5 minutes.

3. The keeper believes that at no point did the driver go onto the private land, as such this isn't 'relevant land' and as such POFA does not apply. The keeper can not be held liable. The parking company has no authority to issue a notice when the vehicle is on the public highway.
See attached proof that this is owned by the council (yellow area includes the public footpath)

You expect this notice to be cancelled.


Should I make my own detailed appeal or just use the template you provided?

Re: Stopping in a private parking
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The driver briefly stopped to read the signs to see if you could park.
In your opening post you said the driver stopped because of other traffic. If that's the case you shouldn't appeal on the basis that the driver stopped to read the signs, as that would be untrue, and you shouldn't lie in writing.

Use the template for now, and use the intervening time to find out the status of the land (another string to your bow, not that you need one)
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Re: Stopping in a private parking
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1. The keeper was not the driver

Is this true?

If the Keeper was also the driver, there is no reason to lie, as this may go all the way to a county court claim. All the Keeper has to do is decline to identify the driver. There is no legal obligation on the Keeper to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking firm.

All the Keeper has to do is refer to the driver in the third person. No "I did this or that", only "the driver did this or that".

Please show us the evidence that was included with that appeal that show that the location is actually not private land.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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there is no reason to lie
And indeed you mustn't.

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https://postimg.cc/8j5yCBx1

Link to GSV image of the pavement where the pictures appear to be taken.

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This is an outrageous attempt at extortion. I will cover the criminal aspect of this case separately.

In this case the private parking company (LDK Group Ltd) uses a CCTV/ANPR camera fixed to a building on the far side of a public road, aiming across the carriageway towards a short strip of perpendicular bays on private land. The still images on the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) show the vehicle on the public road, at most slightly overhanging the public footway, with at least one set of wheels still on the carriageway. The private bays are further back, beyond a second set of double yellow lines and behind an “entrance” sign. The footway has highway furniture (for example a cycle lane sign) and appears to be adopted highway, not part of the private car park.

Contractually, a private parking firm can only form a parking contract and issue charges in respect of land it is authorised to control. A vehicle using or briefly stopping on the public highway or its footway is not on “relevant land” and is not within the area where the operator’s terms apply. Any alleged contract with the driver therefore never comes into existence if the vehicle never crosses the boundary into the private bays. Whether stopping on the double yellow lines or footway is permitted is a matter for the highway authority and public traffic law, not the unregulated private parking firm. On these facts the Keeper can safely say that no contract existed, no breach occurred and no civil debt is owed.

The evidential position supports that. The two CCTV stills are only 37 seconds apart, show the vehicle has moved several feet, and do not show it in any bay or clearly stationary on the private land. That is consistent with passing traffic or a brief manoeuvre on the highway, not with parking on private land. The burden is on the operator to prove that there was a period of parking on land they control. Their own images contradict their allegation that there was a breach of “terms and conditions of parking on private land”.

LDK’s notice also attempts to rely on Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) to pursue the registered keeper, but the notice is defective. It does not specify a clear “period of parking” as required; instead it gives a single contravention time plus an “entry time”, which is not the same as a defined period of parking. The keeper liability wording does not properly reflect paragraph 9(2)(e): it states that the driver is required to pay and merely tells the keeper to name the driver if they were not driving, rather than inviting the keeper to pay or identify the driver. In any event PoFA can only apply to “relevant” private land, not to a vehicle that remained on the public highway. On either basis the operator cannot lawfully hold the Keeper liable under PoFA.

To obtain Keeper details from DVLA the operator must have “reasonable cause” to believe a parking contravention has occurred on land they manage. If their camera position means they routinely capture vehicles on the public road and then treat those captures as car-park contraventions, they have no reasonable cause for those DVLA requests when the images clearly show the vehicle was never on their land. Using that data to issue demands and threaten debt recovery or court is unlawful processing under UK GDPR and the Data Protection Act 2018: the data has been obtained and used without a proper lawful basis, not fairly, and in a way that is excessive for the true facts. That is both a breach of the DVLA KADOE contract and a personal data breach affecting the Keeper.

LDK are members of an Accredited Trade Association (ATA), the BPA, and on paper, their sites are supposedly “audited” for compliance with the ATA’s Approved Operator Scheme (AOS) and the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPsCoP). In reality, this site is being operated in a way that allows highway traffic to be mislabelled as private car park contraventions. The BPAs audit and badge do not excuse that behaviour; instead they raise systemic questions about how the ATA’s code is being applied and whether it is protecting consumers as claimed.

From April 2025 the Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers Act 2024 (DMCC) governs unfair commercial practices. Presenting stopping on the public highway as a “breach of terms and conditions of parking on private land”, dressing it up with defective PoFA wording, and using it to pressure keepers into paying to avoid debt recovery or court is capable of being an unfair commercial practice. It is misleading about the legal basis of the charge, omits the material fact that the vehicle was never on the operator’s land, and shows a lack of professional diligence. A reasonable consumer is likely to be misled into paying a charge they do not owe. This is exactly the kind of pattern that can be reported to the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) under the DMCC for investigation and potential enforcement.

The Keeper therefore has several strands of recourse. First, they can robustly deny liability to LDK on the grounds of not being on relevant land, no contract, no breach and non-compliant PoFA wording, pointing out that the company’s own photographs exonerate the driver. Secondly, they can complain to DVLA that their data was obtained without reasonable cause, and to the Information Commissioner that it has been processed unlawfully and unfairly. Thirdly, they can complain to the BPA that its member is misusing CCTV and issuing charges where there is no private land contravention, and they can copy that to the CMA with a DMCC-focused narrative explaining the misleading and coercive nature of the practice.

Finally, because the PCN and follow-up threats have been based on unlawful processing of personal data and a non-existent legal liability, the Keeper has a potential claim for compensation for distress and anxiety under the Data Protection Act 2018 (DPA). However, any such claim would usually only be worth a modest sum and would depend on evidence that the distress suffered goes beyond ordinary annoyance. As a result, for now, the Keeper should treat this primarily as a matter of defeating the PCN and making strong regulatory complaints, keeping the option of a small damages claim or counterclaim in reserve if the operator escalates the matter to court.

As for the “criminal” aspect, from a criminal-law perspective, what matters is not whether the parking charge is “unfair” in a civil sense, but whether there is evidence that the operator is deliberately making false assertions to obtain money and data.

On the facts as described above, the operator’s own CCTV stills show that the vehicle never left the public highway and never entered the private bays they manage. Despite that, they are issuing a PCN that states there was a breach of terms and conditions of parking on private land, quoting contract-law concepts and PoFA-style keeper liability, and demanding payment with threats of debt recovery and court action. To get the Keeper’s address they must also have certified to DVLA that they had reasonable cause to believe a parking contravention had occurred on land they control.

If that pattern is deliberate rather than a one-off mistake, it is capable of engaging the Fraud Act 2006. Fraud by false representation occurs where a person makes a representation that is false or misleading, knows that it is or might be false or misleading, and intends by it to make a gain for themselves or cause loss to another. Here, the representations are: “you parked on our private land in breach of our terms”, “you owe us £100”, and “we have reasonable cause to obtain DVLA data”. If the operator knows perfectly well that the vehicle was still on the highway and that no such contract ever existed, yet uses those statements to get keeper data and demand money, that fits squarely within the structure of fraud by false representation. The fact that the demand is dressed up as a “civil parking charge” does not, by itself, prevent it being treated as fraud if the underlying basis is knowingly false.

There is also a potential criminal angle under the Data Protection Act 2018. DVLA is the data controller for keeper records, and the operator only has a route to that data because DVLA relies on their certification of reasonable cause. If an operator knowingly misuses that route to obtain personal data in the absence of any genuine contravention on their land, and then uses that data to send threatening demands, that can be characterised as obtaining and using personal data without a proper lawful basis. In extreme or repeated cases, that behaviour can move beyond regulatory breach and into the territory of criminal misuse of personal data.

People often use the word “extortion” here. In English law the nearest offence is blackmail, which requires an unwarranted demand with menaces. A demand for money backed by the threat of lawful civil proceedings is not usually blackmail if the person honestly believes the money is owed. It only starts to resemble blackmail if there is no honest belief in any debt at all and the threat is being used purely as a lever of fear. In practice, police and prosecutors are very slow to treat parking charge demands as blackmail, even when the underlying claim looks hopeless, so the more realistic criminal route is to frame it as fraud and misuse of data.

The key practical point is this: when a firm systematically issues tickets in situations where its own evidence shows no contravention on its land, and it repeatedly uses those false assertions to tap into DVLA data and demand money, that is not just sharp civil practice. It is capable of amounting to criminal conduct under the Fraud Act and the data protection regime. Whether the police or CPS will act is another question, but there is nothing fanciful about describing the behaviour, in complaints to regulators or to your MP, as potentially fraudulent use of DVLA data and false representation to obtain money.

So, what next? You appeal only as the Keeper, outlining everything I have described above. You can then follow up, if they reject, with the regulatory complaints. But step one is to get a strong appeal/complaint on record.

Use the following as your appeal:

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Re: Parking Charge Notice [PCN number], Vehicle [VRM], Date [date]

I write as the registered keeper. I deny any liability for this charge and require you to cancel it immediately.

Your own CCTV stills show the vehicle entirely on the public highway and/or its footway, with at least one set of wheels on the carriageway at all times. The private bays you manage are further in, beyond the inner double yellow lines and behind the entrance sign. At no point is the vehicle shown on your private land. You therefore have no contractual nexus with the driver, no “relevant land” within the meaning of PoFA, and no lawful basis to issue a parking charge.

Any suggestion of keeper liability under Schedule 4 PoFA is misconceived. PoFA cannot apply where the vehicle was on a public highway, which is excluded from the definition of relevant land. In addition, your Notice to Keeper is not compliant: it does not state any clear period of parking, only an “entry” time and a single contravention time, and your wording does not invite the keeper to pay as required by paragraph 9(2)(e). You cannot, in law, transfer any liability to the keeper.

In order to obtain my details from DVLA you must have certified that you had “reasonable cause” to believe a parking contravention occurred on land you manage. Your own images prove the opposite. You have therefore obtained and used my personal data without reasonable cause and without a lawful basis, in breach of UK GDPR, the Data Protection Act 2018 and your KADOE contract with DVLA.

The pattern here is that you are using off-site CCTV to harvest VRMs of vehicles on the public road, falsely re-describing those incidents as contraventions “on private land”, and then using that false basis to obtain keeper data and demand money with threats of debt recovery and court. That conduct is capable of amounting to fraud by false representation under the Fraud Act 2006, as well as an unfair commercial practice under the Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers Act 2024. If you do not cancel this charge I will treat your refusal as a deliberate decision to persist in that course of conduct.

As you are members of the BPA’s Approved Operator Scheme, if you refuse to cancel you are required to issue a POPLA verification code. For the avoidance of doubt, any use I make of POPLA will not prevent me from reporting this case, with your images and correspondence, to DVLA, the Information Commissioner’s Office, the BPA, the Competition and Markets Authority and my Member of Parliament, and from inviting them to consider both the regulatory and criminal aspects of your behaviour. I also reserve the right to report this as a suspected fraud to the police.

I require written confirmation that this Parking Charge Notice has been cancelled and that my personal data has been erased from your systems, save for a single suppression record. I will not be naming the driver and I do not consent to any further use or sharing of my personal data except as strictly required by law or for the purpose of cancelling this charge.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Stopping in a private parking
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The local council might also be interested to learn about a private parking operator issuing charges for vehicles parked on the public highway.

(Given the double yellow lines, a motorist could in theory find themselves receiving a penalty charge notice from the council and then a parking charge notice from this operator for the same incident!)

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There is no penalty for stopping on DYLs. Only if they are accompanied by single or double "blips" on the kerb. You can stop on DYLs to load or unload.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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I know, and my post did not say otherwise.

I wasn't making reference to the OP's specific case, I was just making a general observation about the setup at this location and the fact that the private operator is enforcing on public land on which parking is restricted.
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For reference in case it is of use later (either with appeals or complaints etc.), here's a screenshot of the Middlesbrough Council adopted highways map - slightly more useful than many, in that it specifically and separately shows the pavements - here showing that the area where the OP's car stopped is indeed an adopted highway:



Alongside that, here's a GSV with the relevant area where the vehicle was highlighted. Clearly not part of the private land:


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Given that the reason given (on the NtK) is 'Obstructive Parking' it seems pretty clear that they are issuing PCNs to drivers who simply stop on the pavement for some reason.

As has been stated previously; this is fraudulent activity and one wonders how many PCNs have been issued and paid by unsuspecting members of the public?

I had a quick look on Facebook and a local community group say that the location is a real hotspot for these PCNs. This clearly needs a proper investigation.
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