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Re: Stansted Airport - MET Southgate Park - Starbucks
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What shall I do, just wait for them to chase me / send to debt collectors? Buying a house currently, so don't want anything that could cause issues there.

As I see it you are actually in a super strong position - I'll explain my reasoning;

There are several parking firms who 'manage parking' within the areas of statutory control at airports in this country. They are all well aware of the limitations of PoFA in those circumstances but you'd be surprised how many of those companies 'try it on' in terms of their wording on their NtKs. Some claim that PoFA is applicable and some claim that they still have, 'the right to assume that the Keeper was the driver' in order to try and pass liability onto a named individual.

What you notice with all these companies is a reluctance to pursue Keepers all the way to a physical hearing - and there is a very good reason for that;

In simple terms, they risk their dubious behaviour being found out. They risk awkward cross-examination. They risk their non-compliance with legislation being exposed. Etc etc.

In your particular case, it is clear that MET have made little effort to establish the true area of statutory control. If you look back at previous cases then you'll see how MET's evidence (regarding 'relevant land') changes from time to time.

SO HOW CAN THEY ISSUE A LAWFUL NTK IF THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THE NATURE OF THE LAND WHICH THEY ARE TRYING TO MANAGE? (Sorry to shout but it's a vital point.)

So let's imagine that they progress this to a County Court hearing... What's going to happen when you hold them to strict proof that the area is not under statutory control? The just stop oil map found online by the work experience kid is not going to cut it.

At the moment they are on a nice little earner by hoodwinking people into thinking that PoFA applies - do you think they are going to risk all of that over one case?

Looking at FTLA (and other parking related internet sites) it is obvious that this is a high earning site for MET - imagine how that would change if the true nature of the land was correctly established?
« Last Edit: November 12, 2025, 05:24:05 pm by InterCity125 »

Re: Stansted Airport - MET Southgate Park - Starbucks
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Just goes to show how utterly moronic POPLA can be. OP, why do you think you have to take a £100 "hit" just because some unaccountable firm that is paid by the very same operators that you are appealing against decides their clients are right and you are wrong? A POPLA decision is NOT binding on you. It has not effect an anything going forwards.

A feckwit POPLA assessors decision is not a legal opinion. I can guarantee you that should this ever reach a hearing in front of a judge, METs map and argument would be thrown out. However, it will NEVER get that far. I can tel you with greater than 99.9% certainty, that this will end up as a claim and be discontinued.

However, I sense that the gullible tree is ripe with low-hanging fruit because you obviously have no idea how a county court claim works and are of the notion that by having a claim made against you somehow affects your credit rating. That is exactly how these scammers want you to continue thinking. Like lambs to the slaughter, so many people just pay these scammers out of ignorance and fear.

There is NOTHING in the advice we give that will affect your credit record. Just to give you a bit of education, here is something I wrote that explains about CCJs and the stupid and unfounded fear of credit record and bailiffs:

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These unregulated private parking firms and their pet debt collectors thrive on one thing: the public’s ignorance of how County Court claims and CCJs actually work. They know that if they can make you believe that “a claim” or a “debt recovery” letter somehow wrecks your credit rating, you will panic and pay them. The gullible tree is full of low-hanging fruit, and they make a very good living shaking it.

Here is the reality, which you should read and take a “life lesson” from...

A Parking Charge Notice (PCN) from a private firm is not a fine. It is just a speculative invoice for an alleged breach of contract by the driver. At that stage, nothing touches your credit file.

If you are not successful in appealing the PCN – and appeals are almost never successful at the initial stage and rarely at the secondary, supposedly “independent” (but not) appeal – most low-hanging fruit do not understand that those decisions are not binding on them and they should never just pay. Many do, however, because they are ignorant of the process and fearful of imaginary consequences.

If you then get “debt recovery” letters from so-called debt collectors, those are just more speculative invoices dressed up in scary language designed to prey on your ignorance and fear. Debt collectors have no legal powers whatsoever to come to your door, take goods, or report anything to credit reference agencies. You could receive fifty of those letters and your credit rating would be unchanged.

As part of the modus operandi of these unregulated firms, the next formal step is usually a Letter of Claim (LoC). That is just a threat that they may start a County Court claim. Even then, your credit record is still untouched. It is simply a threat of legal action, not the result of it. Just more attempts to intimidate the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear.

Only if they go ahead and issue a County Court claim do you enter the court (judicial) process. A Claim Form comes from the court, not from a useless and powerless debt collector. Getting a claim issued against you does not, by itself, affect your credit rating. A claim is simply an allegation that you owe money. You have the right to defend it. As long as you read your post, acknowledge the claim in time, and either defend it or settle it, your credit file remains untouched.

A County Court Judgment (CCJ) only arises if the court actually makes a judgment against you. That happens either because you defended and were unsuccessful at a hearing, or because you ignored the claim and the parking firm got judgment in default. Even then, you still have a crucial safety net that the low-hanging fruit do not realise exists. If you pay the full judgment sum within 30 days of the date of judgment, the CCJ is not registered on your credit file. It is expunged completely from the record. It is as if it never happened as far as lenders are concerned.

A CCJ only appears on your credit record if you fail to pay within that 30-day window. That is the point at which it gets recorded and can affect your ability to obtain credit. Up to that point, no amount of tickets, no stack of debt recovery letters, no Letter of/Before Claim, and not even the issuing of a County Court claim has any impact on your credit history.

Bailiffs are a separate step again. They cannot simply be sent because you have ignored an unregulated private parking invoice or a useless debt recovery letter. Bailiffs (enforcement agents) only become relevant after there is a CCJ and it has not been paid.

For most smaller PCN CCJs, it is not even worth the creditor’s time and cost to instruct bailiffs, especially when the amount is under £600 and stuck in the slower County Court enforcement system. But the key point is this: no unpaid CCJ, no lawful bailiff.

So when people say things like “I had a debt recovery letter so I might not get a mortgage now” or “if I defend, I will get a CCJ,” they are simply wrong. It is precisely that ignorance and fear that these firms trade on. They rely on ordinary motorists incorrectly assuming that a red-letter demand automatically means ruined credit and bailiffs at the door.

There is nothing in the advice given here that will affect your credit record. On the contrary, proper advice is what keeps you away from CCJs. If you engage with the process, defend where appropriate, and, in the extremely rare instance where you are unsuccessful defending a claim, pay any judgment within 30 days, your credit file will remain completely unaffected and no bailiff will lawfully darken your doorstep over a private parking charge.

These companies rely on being able to intimidate the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain