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Hi all,

Today in the post I received a notice to keeper letter informing me that in the 07/02/2025 a PCN was served to myself.

Reason for ticket:
No ticket displayed

Location:
Dorning street, Wigan

Date issued:
07/02/2025 11:38:22

The letter says the parking charge was affixed to my windscreen (it wasn't)

The letter says "At the time the charge was Incurred, a notice to driver was affixed to the vehicle. The notice provided the opportunity of appeal to the driver within 21 days from the date of the charge being issued, The opportunity to appeal this charge has now lapsed"

I have two main issues with this PCN.

Firstly today is the first day I've heard of this PCN so how am I meant to appeal it.

However the main issue is I did pay and it's a no ticket car park. I've used it many times and when you pay at the machine it says there's no need for a ticket, would you like a receipt?

So TLDR I got a ticket for not displaying a ticket in a ticket less-car park? And never even had a PCN on my vehicle that day.

Many thanks for reading, hopefully I can get this resolved!

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« Last Edit: March 14, 2025, 04:52:03 pm by Mrcoreyd »

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Re: Sip carpark ticket for no ticket displayed on ticket less carpark
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Post images of the NtK - redacting personal information.

Someone will then assist.

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Updated now cheers

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This is one of the most laughably inadequate NtKs I've ever seen. Weirdly they don't seem to claim in the NtK or even on their website to be a member of either the BPA or IPC (which I think means they shouldn't be able to get your data from the DVLA) but they are listed on the IPC website as an approved operator.

Regardless, the NtK is not PoFA compliant - so they cannot transfer liability to you as the keeper, and you have no obligation to name the driver.

Obviously it's also ludicrous to state an offence of 'No ticket displayed' if it's a no ticket car park.

I assume you've typed the PCN number and your VRM into the website to see if it will let you appeal? Would also be interested in whether there are any photos (and whether the windscreen ticket is shown).

Assuming you can't appeal through the site, I'd be inclined to appeal to their info@ or by post with proof of postage, for the sake of having done something if it ever went to court (using the standard wording repeated around the forum, add the no ticket point, ask for proof of NtD windscreen ticket), but rest assured you will never pay these people a penny.

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I really appreciate this response I've never been so confused in all my life about a ticket. I went on the website to appeal and put my reg and number in and it says it's been past 28 days. i then sent an email to the info@ email and received an automated response saying anything received about a PCN will be ignored leaving absolutely no way for me to contact for an appeal. And I totally aggre how can I get a no ticket displayed on an ANPR carpark. I've requested on the email for pictures but after reading the automated response I assume I'll get nothing back. Also the fact that this is the first I've heard of the fine is crazy to me also because how am I meant to appeal it if it's gone past 28 days but this is the first I've heard of it. I also fully believe that I'd know if I had a ticket on my car that day. Once again thank you for your response

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Did you say anything in any emails that would indicate who the driver of the vehicle was?

If not, I think you can probably safely ignore this (though you could appeal by post in the alternative) since their embarrassing NtK suggests they would consider "exceptional circumstances".

I imagine one of incredibly well informed regulars around here (probably b789) will be along shortly with a take on this.

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Yeah I never said anything about it being my vehicle in the email so I should be okay on that part.

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It's not whether it's your vehicle that is important (they know that because they got your details as the keeper from the DVLA) - it's whether you said you were driving at the time i.e. "I parked and paid at the machine like I usually do" or anything to that effect.

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Ah right no this is what I sent.

Hello,

Today in the post I received a notice to keeper letter. It states i received the fine due to "no ticket displayed" however at this carpark you don't need to display a ticket. Furthermore it says I cannot appeal as I have gone past the notice period, it says details on how to pay were stuck to my windscreen however I can assure there was never a ticket on that day. This seriously needs looking into. I know parking was paid for that day as it's on a bank statement. This letter is the first I've heard of this fine. I used this carpark regularly and have never had an issue before. The machine when you pay even says there's no need for a ticket as you put your reg in. Sort this out. I will not be paying for a fine that I had no notice about until today. PCN number is 53332600 reg is L191 ***(was full reg in email). I want information about this ASAP. Picture attached also please. Also reports from your ANPR camera and CCTV of the payment clearly being made that day.

« Last Edit: March 14, 2025, 07:25:27 pm by Mrcoreyd »

Re: Sip carpark ticket for no ticket displayed on ticket less carpark
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Remove your name from your pasted email!

I will leave for someone better informed than myself to reply at this stage if there is anything to be added. Just a pedantic point for any future correspondence or similar issues you may have in the future - this is not a fine, it is simply a speculative invoice from an unregulated parking company.

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You would be wise to get some photos of the signage at the site detailing the relevant terms.
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Sorted thanks for the heads up! And thank you for all your help I'll update the thread with anything else I get

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I'll be going tomorrow and getting a video of the site and the functionality of the machine to show where it says you don't need a ticket

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Don't forget to get photos of the signage, as this forms the basis of the alleged contract.
Away from 29th March - 5th April
Posting for the first time? READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide | House Rules

Useful Links (for private parking charges):
Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) Schedule 4 | Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice

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After going back this morning I'm even more confused, there is signage that all contradicts it's self

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