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Re: NPC- overstay in a car park without ANPR - Watford
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Greeting to all members of this forum

I have got a PCN rejected by National Parking Control by overstaying.
The carpark does  not has ANPR and the staffs just take the pictures and report to parking operator.
Below is my appeal which was rejected, so this time I am going to appeal in theIAS.org.


I also have a leg to stand is that my car just come back in an hour which is no restriction so there are two event of parking.

I hope some could give me some idea for the appeal at the IAS even I know they will reject anyway.
Many thanks

Below is the PCN


« Last Edit: June 03, 2026, 06:54:46 pm by pesonkute »

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Re: NPC- overstay in a car park without ANPR
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There is no need to mention PoFA 2012, simply implementing its requirements is sufficient.
So:
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(2)The notice must—

(a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;

(b)inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking and that the parking charges have not been paid in full;

(c)describe the parking charges due from the driver as at the end of that period, the circumstances in which the requirement to pay them arose (including the means by which the requirement was brought to the attention of drivers) and the other facts that made them payable;

(d)specify the total amount of those parking charges that are unpaid, as at a time which is—

(i)specified in the notice; and

(ii)no later than the end of the day before the day on which the notice is either sent by post or, as the case may be, handed to or left at a current address for service for the keeper (see sub-paragraph (4));

(e)state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and invite the keeper—

(i)to pay the unpaid parking charges; or

(ii)if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify the creditor of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and to pass the notice on to the driver;

(f)warn the keeper that if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given—

(i)the amount of the unpaid parking charges specified under paragraph (d) has not been paid in full, and

(ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver,

the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid;
(g)inform the keeper of any discount offered for prompt payment and the arrangements for the resolution of disputes or complaints that are available;

(h)identify the creditor and specify how and to whom payment or notification to the creditor may be made;

(i)specify the date on which the notice is sent (where it is sent by post) or given (in any other case).
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Re: NPC- overstay in a car park without ANPR - Watford
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There is no need to mention PoFA 2012, simply implementing its requirements is sufficient.
So:
Quote
(2)The notice must—

(a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;

(b)inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking and that the parking charges have not been paid in full;

(c)describe the parking charges due from the driver as at the end of that period, the circumstances in which the requirement to pay them arose (including the means by which the requirement was brought to the attention of drivers) and the other facts that made them payable;

(d)specify the total amount of those parking charges that are unpaid, as at a time which is—

(i)specified in the notice; and

(ii)no later than the end of the day before the day on which the notice is either sent by post or, as the case may be, handed to or left at a current address for service for the keeper (see sub-paragraph (4));

(e)state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and invite the keeper—

(i)to pay the unpaid parking charges; or

(ii)if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify the creditor of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and to pass the notice on to the driver;

(f)warn the keeper that if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given—

(i)the amount of the unpaid parking charges specified under paragraph (d) has not been paid in full, and

(ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver,

the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid;
(g)inform the keeper of any discount offered for prompt payment and the arrangements for the resolution of disputes or complaints that are available;

(h)identify the creditor and specify how and to whom payment or notification to the creditor may be made;

(i)specify the date on which the notice is sent (where it is sent by post) or given (in any other case).
Thank you for your post.
In this case, this notice issued does not state the period of parking (only mentioned "Observation time"), will it be invalid ?

Re: NPC- overstay in a car park without ANPR - Watford
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I would say that the observation time is clearly a period, so it’s grasping at straws to state non-compliance on this point alone. And it’s just over 2h30m isn’t it?

Re: NPC- overstay in a car park without ANPR - Watford
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I agree that a 'period pf parking' is demonstrated by the notice.

However, the notice is missing the required mandatory wording required by paragraph 9(2)(e).

9(2)(e) specifies;

The notice MUST STATE that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver.

There is no such sentence contained in the NtK.

The NtK is also missing part of the wording required by 9(2)(f).
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