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We parked in Tooting Leisure Centre car park, SW17, on Dec 1st 2024. We are regular visitors there for swimming and gymnastics lessons and kids birthday parties at weekends. Our recollection is that we entered the car reg into the machine in the leisure centre for registering parking, but it's a long time ago now, and the machine also has dodgy buttons which often need several presses to work.

The first we've known that something hadn't gone right was this week, opening a plain envelope to discover a demand for £170 from Debt Recovery Plus addressed to me, presumably as the registered keeper.

We have definitely never received a PCN for this. I am diligent about paying quickly when I'm at fault and have paid a Gatwick drop-off PCN in the same time period after forgetting to pay within the time limit.

The parking company is listed as MET Parking Services Ltd, but entering the details of the PCN on their website produces a 'sorry there was a problem obtaining these details' message.

Any advice on how to proceed gratefully received, I greatly resent the thought of having to pay £170.

The stated deadline for payment from Debt Recovery Plus is 17/02/25, I was planning to call them but have seen advice elsewhere on this site to never contact the debt recovery companies.

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You can safely ignore any debt collector/Debt Recovery Agent (DRA) letters. Bin them. We don't need to know about them. The DRAs are powerless to do anything except to try and scare the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear. Never, ever, communicate with a useless DRA. They are not a party to any contract allegedly breached by the driver.

You must ask yourself why you never received the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) or the follow up reminder. In the vast majority of these cases it is because at the time of the alleged contravention, your V5C DVLA data was not up to date, probably because of a precious change of address where you failed to update it. Updating your drivers licence does not automatically update your V5C data.

You can check online and update it easily. However, it won't help you now because MET is only allowed to apply for the Keepers DVLA data once per Parking Charge Notice (PCN).

Please confirm whether your V5C DVLA data was up to date around the time of the alleged contravention. It could be that you changed address a long time ago and never updated the V5C, so please check.

The DRA has found your address by using a credit reference agency search. You do not want MET to hold two possible addresses for you and if your V5C data was not up to date, let us know as you will have to send them. data rectification notice.

Once you have answered that question, we can then proceed on how to deal with the charge. Without seeing the original NtK, we are without some vital facts and we will have to make a forma complaint to MET in order to obtain a copy of it as it is too late to lodger an appeal at this stage.

So, please answer the questions before we move on.
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Thanks very much for your advice.

I'm afraid I haven't managed to find a way to access the current V5C data online - I found a way to change the address attached to it but not view the current status, forgive me if I'm being stupid. However, the paper certificate I have here has the correct address on it and we haven't moved since purchasing the car (2020) and registering myself as sole keeper (2021).

It is very strange that we didn't receive the PCN - it's within the realms of possibility, although unlikely, that one letter could have got lost in our house in a slew of Christmas mail but not also a reminder. We have unfortunately received other PCNs relating to the same vehicle without any issues, including 2 within the last 4 months.

In which case you need to make a formal complaint to MET, which will also be considered as an appeal. I also suggest you create a separate thread for any other PCNs you have. Especially the NCP Gatwick drop off one. No one pays a penny to NCP or any other operator at any airport unless they are truly ignorant and gullible.

If you are sure you registered your vehicle at your current address long before the alleged contravention, the use the following as a formal complaint/appeal:

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[Your Name]
[Your Address]

[Your Email]

MET Parking Services Ltd
PO Box 64168
London
WC1A 9BE

Delivery by email to: complaints@metparking.com

[Date]

Subject: Formal Complaint – Failure to Serve Notice to Keeper

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to formally complain about MET Parking Services' failure to serve a Notice to Keeper (NtK) in relation to Parking Charge Notice (PCN) [PCN Number]. I only became aware of this charge upon receiving a letter from a debt recovery agency.

PCN Reference: [PCN Number]
Vehicle Registration: [Vehicle Registration]
Date of Alleged Contravention: [Date]

At no point did I receive an NtK or any reminder from MET Parking. My address as registered with the DVLA has been correct and up to date at all relevant times. Given this, I have serious concerns about whether MET Parking ever posted an NtK at all.

I therefore require you to provide the following:

• A copy of the original NtK that was allegedly issued.
• Strict proof that the NtK was actually posted, as required by the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP). Specifically, in accordance with Section 8.1.2(e) Note #2 of the PPSCoP:

A notice sent by post is to be presumed, unless the contrary is proved, to have been delivered on the second working day after the day on which it is posted; and for this purpose, “working day” means any day other than a Saturday, Sunday or a public holiday in England and Wales. Therefore, parking operators must retain a record of the date of posting of a notice, not simply of that notice having been generated (e.g. the date that any third-party Mail Consolidator actually put it in the postal system.)

Accordingly, you must provide:

1. The date the NtK was physically put into the postal system by MET Parking or any third-party mail consolidator.
2. Proof that the NtK was posted (not just generated), such as postage records, tracking data, or confirmation from your mail provider.

Simply providing evidence that an NtK was "generated" is not sufficient proof of posting under the PPSCoP. If you cannot provide strict proof that the NtK was properly issued and posted, then the presumption of service does not apply.

Please treat this as a formal complaint and respond within 14 days. If you fail to provide a satisfactory response, I will escalate this matter to the British Parking Association (BPA) and other relevant bodies including the DVLA.

I look forward to your prompt response.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]

Make sure you send it as a PDF attachment in an email to complaints@metparking.com and also CC in yourself.

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This is amazing help, thank you.

I will do as you advise immediately, and report back the response.

I wish I had found this forum sooner. Unfortunately I already paid up for the Gatwick drop off, and also last October a car park which I wrongly assumed was free parking for the supermarket and Burger King it seemed to be serving.

If you get any future ones, come here before responding. Obviously, the best way to deal with PCNs is not to get them in the first place, but the second best way is to seek advice.

I definitely will, thanks.

Complaint letter sent, will report the response when I hear back.

A swift response (attached)! And a good result. Those buttons on the machine in the leisure centre have seriously deteriorated over the last year or so, but they would have happily taken my cash regardless. There was no addressing the non-delivery of the PCN or reminder though, although they attached PDF copies of both with their reply. We definitely received neither, is it worth pointing that out?

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Since MET Parking has cancelled the PCN, the immediate issue is resolved, but their response completely ignores the substantive points raised in your formal complaint. As they have failed to address the core issue of whether the NtK was ever posted and to provide strict proof of postage, you should escalate the complaint and insist on a response.

Same procedure as before for sending:

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[Your Name]
[Your Address]

[Your Email]

MET Parking Services Ltd
PO Box 64168
London
WC1A 9BE

Delivery by email to: complaints@metparking.com

[Date]

Subject: Follow-up Formal Complaint – Failure to Address Substantive Issues

Dear Sir/Madam,

Thank you for your response confirming the cancellation of Parking Charge Notice (PCN) AB2347727. However, your reply failed to address the substantive issues raised in my formal complaint.

For clarity, my complaint was not just about the cancellation of this charge but about MET Parking’s failure to provide proof that a Notice to Keeper (NtK) was ever properly issued and posted.

Outstanding Points Requiring Response:

1. Proof of Posting:

• The Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) Section 8.1.2(e) Note #2 requires that parking operators must retain a record of the date of posting, not merely the date of generation.

• You have failed to provide this proof, nor have you confirmed whether the NtK was ever physically posted.

2. Compliance with BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP):

• The British Parking Association (BPA) requires operators to ensure that Notices to Keeper are properly issued and served.

• Your failure to provide evidence of postage suggests either a failure to issue the notice at all or a failure in your mailing procedures.

Next Steps

I request a full and direct response to the above points within 14 days. If you fail to provide this, I will escalate the matter to the British Parking Association (BPA) for a formal review of your compliance with the PPSCoP.

I look forward to your prompt response.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]

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