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hi I hope its ok to jump on this thread as my situation is the same.  The driver of my car (not me) received a pcn from Met parking at the same Starbucks at Stansted Airport as the OP.  I appealed using the above template and it has been rejected.  I now have a POPLA code, do you advise me appealing through POPLA or ignoring future correspondence?  I keep seeing mixed advice on boards!  If so could you point me to a template letter for POPLA please?  many thanks

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« Last Edit: January 22, 2025, 04:55:21 pm by rach33pink »

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I have split this from MET Parking Services - Southgate Park - Stansted Airport Starbucks/McDonalds - Notice To Keeper in line with rule #2 of our house rules:

2. Do not hijack another person's thread in order to post your own problem. Start your own.

To help us provide the best advice, please read the following thread carefully and provide as much of the information it asks for as you are able to: READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide. A copy of the rejection would also be useful. Whilst the circumstances may be very similar to the other thread, it's best for us to get all the relevant information before providing advice.

Of course you appeal to POPLA. MET (and all the other scammers) will never accept any appeal because there is no money in it for them. Your POPLA appeal will lead the assessor by the nose (because they can be moronic at times) to the conclusion that as the Keeper, you cannot be liable for the charge. As long as in any appeal the Keeper didn't blab the drivers identity by stupidly saying things like "I did this or that" instead of referring to the driver in the third person such as "The driver did this or that".

Please follow the advice by @DWMB2 and show us the Notice to Keeper. We do not need to see any reminders or useless debt collector letters.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Thank you, sorry about the hijacking. As I said, the driver of my car (not me) received a pcn from Met parking at Starbucks at Stansted Airport.  I appealed using the recommended template and it has been rejected.  I now have a POPLA code.  Please find attached a copy of the original PCN and MET's reply, many thanks


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The driver of your did NOT receive a PCN from MET. Get your facts straight! MET had no idea who the driver was and still don't unless it was blabbed to them.

The REGISTERED KEEPER received the PCN as a postal NtK. As far as MET are concerned, the driver is UNKNOWN. The Keeper is KNOWN.

So, you as the known Keeper, appealed the PCN using the advised appeal wording. The appeal rejection does not respond to the point made in the appeal that the land is not relevant for the purposes of PoFA. Of course MET will ignore the bleedin' obvious as there is no money on it for them.

You have 33 days from the date of the appeal rejection to submit a POPLA appeal (28 days plus 5 days for service). You have not show or told us the appeal rejection date but if it is very recent, you have plenty of time and you can remind us in a few days to assist putting together the POPLA appal.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

thank you, the date of the appeal letter was 21/01/25. thanks

and you didn't describe the driver as "my husband, my wife, my son, daughter" etc??
you just said "the driver" yes??
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To be honest, it doesn't really matter if the Keeper mentioned another person. The point is to stop the keeper dobbing themselves into liability if they were the driver.

A lot of people don't get the concept and quake in their boots because they think they are lying if they were the driver and not admitting it. If the Keeper was also the driver, they don't have to lie. They only have to decline to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking company.

Ergo... the Keeper has lawfully declined to identify the driver and, as the Keeper, cannot be liable. The onus is on the operator to prove that the person they are pursuing (the Keeper) is the driver. How do you think they could do that unless the Keeper tells them?
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

no, this was what I wrote:


I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require an explanation of the allegation and your evidence. You must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date as well as your images of the vehicle.

If the allegation concerns a PDT machine, the data supplied in response to this appeal must include the record of payments made - showing partial VRNs - and an explanation of the reason for the PCN, because your Notice does not explain it.

If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner.

Not to worry. We will provide a suitable POPLA appeal shortly.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

What was the date of the alleged contravention and the date of issue of the NtK? Also what are the times they are alleging the vehicle was at the location?

Please repost the NtK and ONLY redact your personal details, the PCN number and the VRM. Please don't redact any dates and times.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2025, 03:42:57 pm by b789 »
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

In the meantime, here is a draft POPLA appeal. If you want to add or edit anything, show us first. You will need to include the image of the Stansted Airport boundary which establishes the land covered by byelaws and therefore under statutory control and not relevant for the purposes of PoFA:

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Appeal Against Parking Charge Notice (PCN) Issued by MET Parking Services

PCN Reference: [Insert reference number]
Vehicle Registration: [Insert vehicle registration]
Date of Alleged Contravention: [Insert date]


This is an appeal by the Keeper of the vehicle and I raise the following points for POPLA to consider:

1. The Location is Not 'Relevant Land' under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA)
2. Failure to Address Appeal Points
3. Inadequate Evidence of Clear and Prominent Signage
4. No Legal Obligation to Identify the Driver or Assumption of Driver Identity

Grounds for Appeal:

1. The Location is Not 'Relevant Land' under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA):

The alleged contravention occurred at Southgate Park, which is located within the boundary of Stansted Airport. This boundary is confirmed by a Stansted Airport-issued map provided with this appeal. Stansted Airport is governed by airport byelaws, which constitute statutory control over the land. Paragraph 3(1)(c) of Schedule 4 of PoFA explicitly states that "relevant land" excludes any land that is "subject to statutory control," such as land covered by byelaws. Therefore, Southgate Park is not relevant land for the purposes of PoFA.

While the land may be private and MET Parking Services may have been contracted by the landowner’s agents to manage the car park, this does not negate the fact that it is within the airport boundary and subject to byelaws. The existence of byelaws over the land places it under statutory control, as established by law. MET Parking Services’ argument that the land is not covered by byelaws is incorrect and does not override the statutory framework. As a result, MET Parking Services cannot rely on PoFA to transfer liability to the registered Keeper. They can only pursue the driver, whose identity has not been disclosed. As the Keeper, I am under no legal obligation to identify the driver, and there can be no Keeper liability in this case.

2. Failure to Address Appeal Points:

In my initial appeal to MET Parking Services, I specifically raised the issue of the site being under statutory control and therefore not relevant land under PoFA. Despite this, MET Parking Services failed to address this critical legal argument in their rejection. Instead, they dismissed the appeal without engaging with the evidence or addressing the legal basis of my argument. This omission suggests their decision to reject my appeal was not based on a proper consideration of the facts or the applicable legal framework.

3. Inadequate Evidence of Clear and Prominent Signage:

MET Parking Services has not provided sufficient evidence that the terms and conditions were clearly displayed and visible to motorists. For a driver to have agreed to any contractual terms, the signage must have been legible, prominently positioned, and capable of being read before entering into a contract. Without evidence of the signage’s visibility and clarity at the time of the alleged contravention, the claim is unsubstantiated.

4. No Legal Obligation to Identify the Driver or Assumption of Driver Identity:

As the registered Keeper of the vehicle, I am not legally obligated to identify the driver. MET Parking Services has provided no evidence to identify the driver at the time of the alleged contravention. Since liability cannot be transferred to the Keeper under PoFA due to the site’s statutory control, MET Parking Services must pursue the driver—if they can identify them. Without such identification, their claim against the Keeper is baseless.

Furthermore, the POPLA assessor must not assume or infer that the Keeper was also the driver. There is extensive persuasive case law on this matter. In VCS v Edward H0KF6C9C [2023], HHJ Mark Gargan in his conclusion, stated in paragraph 35.3:

It is consistent with the appropriate probability analysis whereby simply because somebody is a registered keeper, it does not mean on balance of probability they were driving on this occasion, because one simply cannot tell. For example, there will be companies who are registered keepers of vehicles where many drivers have the use of the vehicle from time to time. There will be individual employers who are the registered keeper but who allow a number of people to drive their vehicles. There may be situations where husband and wife are each registered keepers of their respective vehicles but for some reason drive the other. These are all possibilities which show that it is not appropriate to draw an inference that, on balance of probability, the registered keeper was driving on any given occasion.

The appellant is explaining this point in detail because some assessors have in the past erroneously allowed MET Parking Services to claim that the Keeper was likely the driver without any evidence. MET attempts to mislead assessors by relying on a misleading and erroneous note in Annex C of the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice, which states:

“Liability
It is the driver that is liable for the parking charge.
NOTE: The driver is often the same person as the keeper and/or the hirer. Where a keeper or hirer fails or refuses to provide the name and serviceable address of the driver when requested to, it may be assumed they are the driver, based on that failure or refusal.

This statement is contrary to the law, as explained in VCS v Edward. The Keeper’s refusal to identify the driver does not permit any assumption of driver identity. Any such inference would be legally baseless and improper. POPLA assessors must adhere to established legal principles and not be misled by incorrect interpretations provided by rogue parking operators.

Conclusion:

Southgate Park’s location within Stansted Airport places it under statutory control and excludes it from being considered relevant land under PoFA. The wording of Paragraph 3(1)(c) of Schedule 4 of PoFA is clear: land subject to statutory control, such as land covered by byelaws, is not relevant land. The official map of the airport boundary provided with this appeal confirms this fact beyond any doubt. Additionally, the registered Keeper cannot be assumed to be the driver, as supported by persuasive case law. MET Parking Services cannot hold the registered Keeper liable for the alleged parking charge. Their failure to address this fundamental point in their rejection of my initial appeal further demonstrates the inadequacy of their claim. I therefore request POPLA to uphold this appeal and instruct MET Parking Services to cancel the Parking Charge Notice.

Stansted Airport map showing the boundary within which airport byelaws apply:

« Last Edit: January 23, 2025, 04:40:42 pm by b789 »
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Perhaps an obvious point but when putting together your PDF, include a copy of the map directly underneath the point about non-relevant land

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