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Private Parking Solutions LTD - parking in no parking area
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Hi All! I'm looking on some advice for PCN(s) received. The background information is that I was on the whitelist allowing me to park outside my residential building and I would not receive PCNs, however, the whitelist was removed and I was unaware of this, thus now I have over 10 fines asking for £100 or £60 in 14 days, the fines I have received date from the start of February 2025 to end of March 2025. I understand that I need to pay these fines, and I believe they are valid; it's just that they have now increased in prices due to non-payment. I'm wondering if is there any way that I could argue they be discounted to the £60 rate instead of £100 or £170.

I have attached a letter of one of the original fines and another letter of an overdue fine.

Thanks for your help!

https://imgur.com/a/5zl2q2k - discounted £60
https://imgur.com/a/3DO74UE - £100
« Last Edit: April 25, 2025, 05:21:13 pm by bimmerfan »

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Re: Private Parking Solutions LTD - parking in no parking area
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You haven't received a single "fine" so please stop calling them that. Also, why on earth do you think you have to pay them?

They are simply speculative invoices from an unregulated private parking company for an alleged breach of contract by the driver. Do you just pay any old invoice you receive, especially from a firm of ex-clampers?

Forget the "mugs discount". That is just to get the ow-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.

Do not try and rush this. We will provide all the advice you need.  To start, what exactly does your lease/tenancy agreement say about parking? What it doesn't say about parking is equally important.

When you can show us the wording on the lease, then we can advise further.

In the meantime just provide a list of all the PCNs received so far. We don't need to know about any reminders. Just the originals. All we need is a list like this for example:

PCN #1: Date of contravention 06/03/2025 01:59. Date issued: 07/03/2025.
PCN #2: Date of contravention XX/XX/2025 XX:XX. Date issued: XX/XX/2025.

And so on.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2025, 06:02:10 pm by b789 »
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Private Parking Solutions LTD - parking in no parking area
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Thank you so much for your help. I see, so these are not 'fines' at all but just invoices for parking.

Here are all of my PCNs, I note that they are issued exactly on the same day of contravention. I have attached a photo of the signage and I have checked my tenancy agreement which barely includes anything to do with parking, a section mentioned refers to underground garage parking for which I do not have access to, I attached pictures anyway.

PCN #1: Date of contravention 02/02/2025 15:44. Date issued: 02/02/2025.
PCN #2: Date of contravention 11/02/2025 02:35. Date issued: 11/02/2025.
PCN #3: Date of contravention 12/02/2025 03:25. Date issued: 13/02/2025.
PCN #4: Date of contravention 18/02/2025 03:23. Date issued: 18/02/2025.
PCN #5: Date of contravention 23/02/2025 12:34. Date issued: 23/02/2025.
PCN #6: Date of contravention 26/02/2025 03:04. Date issued: 26/02/2025.
PCN #7: Date of contravention 27/02/2025 16:09. Date issued: 27/02/2025.
PCN #8: Date of contravention 01/03/2025 12:46. Date issued: 01/03/2025.
PCN #9: Date of contravention 07/03/2025 01:59. Date issued: 07/03/2025.
PCN #10: Date of contravention 13/03/2025 02:10. Date issued: 13/03/2025.
PCN #11: Date of contravention 14/03/2025 02:49. Date issued: 14/03/2025.

Looking forward to seeing what my options are, thanks again!

https://imgur.com/a/WBAw7x7
https://imgur.com/a/2vzBDOz

Re: Private Parking Solutions LTD - parking in no parking area
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So these were all Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) issued as Notices to Driver (NtD) by affixing the PCN to the windscreen. At any stage, did you respond to any of these? If not, they should all have been followed up with a postal Notice to Keeper which should have been issued between day 28 and day 56 after the NtD was issued.

I also note that PCN #3 was for an alleged contravention on 12/02/2025 but with an issue date 13/02/2025. Is that correct?

I now need you to show us one of the PCNs you received as a NtD and the subsequent associated NtK.

What has the management company said about these when you asked them to get them cancelled?

The PCN is for an alleged breach of contract. However, the signs are incapable of forming contact. Whoever contracted PPS, probably has no right to override your lease by introducing an unconnected third party to require you to display a permit and to invoice you for breaching their terms which cannot override the supremacy of your lease.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Private Parking Solutions LTD - parking in no parking area
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Yes, you are correct. They are all Parking Charge Notices, but around half of the PCNs are yellow sticker PCNs affixed to the windscreen, and Notice to Keeper sent out after after 28 days of no response.

The other half, nothing is attached to the windscreen and I receive the letter with pictures asking for payment, notice to keeper also sent out after 28 days no response.



PCN #3 is correct, on 12/02/2025 at 03:25 and issued on 13/02/2025.
After double checking all of the issue dates I realise I made two errors,
PCN #2: 09/02/2025 02:35. Date issued: 11/02/2025.
PCN #9: 06/03/2025 01:59. Date issued: 07/03/2025.

I have included all the photos, one NtK and one NtD, I have also included one of the letters sent from Debt recovery plus and found an old photo of one of the stickers which was attached to windscreen.

https://imgur.com/a/uXiYJMi


From my understanding, the management company contracts out the parking operator to deal with the parking, and when I have asked them to be cancelled the answer has always been no

Re: Private Parking Solutions LTD - parking in no parking area
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The background information is that I was on the whitelist allowing me to park outside my residential building and I would not receive PCNs, however, the whitelist was removed and I was unaware of this,

Pl explain.

Re: Private Parking Solutions LTD - parking in no parking area
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From the period October to end of January I parked here without receiving any PCNs as my vehicle was allowed to be on the whitelist, it was due to an informal agreement with  a manager in the residential building, however this is now no longer possible thus the whitelist was removed and my vehicle started to receive the PCNs, unfortunately there is nothing the manager can do about this. 

Re: Private Parking Solutions LTD - parking in no parking area
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If what you have shown us is from an AST, then the following is established:

1. The AST grants no parking rights

Clause 4 of the tenancy states clearly that parking is not included in the tenancy. Therefore, the tenant (and by extension the Keeper, if different) does not have any leasehold-derived right to park on the premises.

2. Prior consent was informal and revocable

The parking was previously permitted via a non-contractual, informal agreement with a manager who had the vehicle added to a whitelist. This is essentially a licence by permission, and such a licence can be revoked at any time. Once withdrawn, any continued parking could be subject to enforcement, assuming signage and procedures are otherwise valid.

3. No derogation or breach of quiet enjoyment

Because parking was not included in the tenancy, and the arrangement was outside the lease, the withdrawal of the whitelist or the start of enforcement does not amount to derogation from grant or breach of quiet enjoyment. These principles apply to rights granted by the lease; here, no such right was granted.

4. Third-party authority still needs scrutiny

While the parking company may now be issuing PCNs, they still need to prove they have lawful authority to enforce parking on that land and that:

• Their signage forms a contractual offer to a driver;
• Their procedures comply with PoFA if they are pursuing the Keeper.

5. Potential mitigation and fairness argument

Although not a legal defence, it may still be appropriate to argue that:

• The vehicle was previously authorised without objection;
• The PCNs began due to a change outside the Keeper’s control;
• This demonstrates a lack of clarity, poor communication, or a failure to give fair notice

As you do not have parking rights under your AST, and you were previously allowed to park under a discretionary or informal arrangement, then the ultimate authority for enforcing parking conditions (such as requiring a permit or issuing PCNs) must stem from the freeholder’s head lease or superior title, or a management company’s delegated authority.

You should formally request a copy of the head lease from your landlord (who is a leaseholder) under Section 1 of the Landlord and Tenant Act 1985, which provides for the disclosure of lease information upon request. You can say that you require it in order to understand the basis for the imposition of parking restrictions and penalties by third parties.

Here’s why seeing the head lease matters:

1. To identify who has the legal right to control or regulate parking

• The head lease may specify whether parking spaces are demised, shared, communal, or subject to rules imposed by a management company.
• It may reveal whether the freeholder or management company retains control of the parking area and can enter into contracts with third parties (e.g. parking enforcement firms).

2. To assess whether third-party enforcement is contractually permissible

• If there is no express authority for a parking company to enforce terms (or require permits), then the company may lack standing to issue PCNs or create enforceable parking contracts.

3. To determine if any right to park exists that could be enforced against interference

• Even if the AST is silent on parking, if the head lease grants the apartment landlord the use of a space (or rights over communal areas including parking), those rights may cascade to the tenant, creating a potential defence based on derogation from grant or interference with easement.

4. To confirm or refute the parking company's legal standing

• Operators often rely on “agency” or contracts with managing agents. Without clear delegation from the freeholder (as shown in the head lease or management agreement), that authority may be invalid or challengeable.

What you should do for now is ignore all debt recovery letters. Debt collectors are powerless to do so anything except to try and make the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree pay out of ignorance and fear. We do not need to see or know about debt recovery letters and you can safely ignore those.

If you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC) then you should tell us about that. In the meantime you need to request a copy of your landlords head lease and then we need to know anything in it that mentions parking.

I've had a conversation with a district judge this afternoon about the sign you showed us nd whether it is capable of forming a contract, and it isn't.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain