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Re: Private Parking Charge Notice from Parkingeye, Home Bargains, Shipley
« Reply #30 on: »
Okay. So I should go back to them and say that the snippet of the email they sent to ParkingEye nor their claim that there has been no GDPR breach does not constitute evidential proof.  The dismissive way my complaint has been handled coupled with the selective/misleading responses received suggests a Subject Access Request is required.

Please provide me with copies of all correspondence/notes/emails held/sent/received by AOS/BPA relating to my complaint including those shared with/received from all external organisations from the 20/02/25 to the present day.

Is the above sufficient?

Re: Private Parking Charge Notice from Parkingeye, Home Bargains, Shipley
« Reply #31 on: »
As long as you SAR them, they are obliged to send you every piece of data they hold that includes your details. The "snippet" they showed you proves nothing. Their letter quite clearly states that they sent a copy of your complaint to a third party. Either they didn't but have sown that they are inept and haven't take the required due care and attention to your complaint or they did send it, whether by mistake or not, and are liable for a breach of your GDPR which opens them up to an ICO complaint and for you to claim compensation for their breach of your GDPR and the Data Protection Act 2018.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Private Parking Charge Notice from Parkingeye, Home Bargains, Shipley
« Reply #32 on: »
I have just received this from BPA and they have now closed the case....

"Dear C,
 
I have reviewed your complaint and can advise as follows.
 
The charge was issued because the vehicle remained on site for 2 hours and 21 minutes and the maximum stay was 2 hours.  Parking Eye have advised no appeal has been registered with them to contest the charge.
 
Serious GDPR breach
 
I have responded separately on this point and can confirm that no breach has occurred as the email was not sent to Euro Car Parks.
 

Misrepresentation of “Recorded Delivery” vs “Proof of Postage”
 
I want to clarify that our investigation is limited to breaches of our Code of Practice. My colleague previously mentioned that we cannot intervene in matters concerning missing mail, as it is challenging to verify whether an item has been sent or received.
 
It is quite possible that a notice was dispatched but did not reach you. Therefore, this is a matter that has to be taken up directly with Parking Eye
 
Parking Eye have confirmed that the original Notice to Keeper was sent on December 21, 2024, and they have provided us with their iMail report detailing the postage record. This confirms that the letter was processed and prepared for mailing on December 21, 2024, at 07:01. Additionally, Parking Eye have supplied a screenshot indicating when the outbound correspondence was sent. It shows that the Notice to Keeper was sent on December 21, 2024, followed by a second letter sent on December 30, 2024. Both letters were sent to the address registered with the DVLA.
 
Based on the evidence provided by Parking Eye, we believe it aligns with the requirements outlined in the Code of Practice.
 
I appreciate your feedback regarding our actions, and I understand your concerns. I hope the information provided clarifies our position.
 
Please know that we take adherence to our Code very seriously, and we are committed to investigating any claims of noncompliance if supported by evidence.
 
As I have not identified a breach of our Code, I have closed the case.  Parking Eye will respond to your most recent communication shortly. "
 

Re: Private Parking Charge Notice from Parkingeye, Home Bargains, Shipley
« Reply #33 on: »
The advice hasn't changed. SAR them.

You should now get your MP involved because the BPA are shirking their responsibility. You will need to explain to your MP why this is the case and you have already had that explained to you and in the letters you have sent already. Use it to make your case.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Private Parking Charge Notice from Parkingeye, Home Bargains, Shipley
« Reply #34 on: »
Okay but for clarity I take it that the iMail report and screenshot isn’t sufficient to prove the Notice to Keeper was sent? So ParkingEye hasn’t shown compliance with PoFA /PPSCoP and the BPA in ignoring this is acting as an enabler rather than a regulatory body?

Should I serve ParkingEye with a SAR as well?

Re: Private Parking Charge Notice from Parkingeye, Home Bargains, Shipley
« Reply #35 on: »
You haven't show us this "iMail" receipt/report. However, does it provide evidence of the date the letter was actually entered into the postal system in the same way that a "Proof of Posting" certificate from any post office would?

The PPSCoP that the BPA are trying to shirk responsibility from, as I have already shown, states that parking operators MUST retain a record of the date of posting of a notice, not simply of that notice having been generated (e.g. the date that any third-party Mail Consolidator actually put it in the postal system.)

So, you tell me, is that iMail whatever, evidence of the date that the letter entered the postal system? If it is simply a receipt to the operator that the letter has been received by the Mail Consolidator, then do you think that is good enough as evidence of when that Mail Consolidator actually put it in the postal system?

Of course the BPA is an "enabler" for their members. Where do you think they get their money from? Why do you think the government is introducing the Private Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019? What more evidence do you need to show how the BPA is not fit for purpose (as is the IPC also).

Yes, SAR ParkingEye too so that you can then compare what the BPA sent and what ParkingEye received. You ay want to SAR Euro Car Parks too, because they will be obliged to send you anything they will have received from the BPA. These are all done by email to the various Data Protection Officers as detailed in each company's privacy statement on their websites. It should take you 10 minutes or less to compose the SAR and 5 seconds to send each email.

In fact, I'll save you 10 minutes and provide you with a pro-forma SAR you can adapt:

Quote
Dear Sir/Madam,

RE: SUBJECT ACCESS REQUEST

I write to make a formal Subject Access Request in respect of my personal information. I am entitled to make this request under data protection laws. The request is made in accordance with section 45 of the Data Protection Act 2018 and Article 15 of the retained EU General Data Protection Regulation 2016/679 (UK GDPR). You can identify my records using the information which is listed below.

Requester (data subject) information

(a). Full name:
(b). Date of birth:
(c). Address:
(d). Email address:
(e). Telephone number:
(f). PCN number:
(g). VRM:

Requested information

In accordance with my right of access under data protection law, I request the following:

(a) Copies of my personal data

I request that I am provided with full copies of all personal data relating to me which is held by [PARKINGEYE LTD/EURO CAR PARKS LTD/THE BRITISH PARKING ASSOCIATION LTD]

I would prefer to receive an electronic copy of the requested information.

(b) Purpose of the processing

Please confirm within your response the purpose (or purposes) for which my personal data was collected by [PARKINGEYE LTD/EURO CAR PARKS LTD/THE BRITISH PARKING ASSOCIATION LTD] in the first instance and the purpose (or
purposes) for which is has been used by [PARKINGEYE LTD/EURO CAR PARKS LTD/THE BRITISH PARKING ASSOCIATION LTD] to date.

(c) Categories of the data

Please confirm within your response which categories of my personal data have been collected by [PARKINGEYE LTD/EURO CAR PARKS LTD/THE BRITISH PARKING ASSOCIATION LTD].

(d) Sharing of the data

Please confirm within your response which recipients my personal data has or will bedisclosed to. Please also confirm whether my data will be shared outside of the United Kingdom and if so, what safeguards are in place in relation to this.

(e) Storage of the data

Please confirm within your response the retention periods for the storage of my personal data. If you are unable to confirm a specific retention period, please confirm what criteria will be used to determine this.

(f) Source of the data

Please confirm within your response which sources my personal data is collected from.

(g) Details about automated decision-making

Please confirm within your response whether any automated decision-making which uses my personal data is taking place or will take place. If this is the case, I ask that you please provide me with information about the logic involved in any such process and the relevant consequences the decision-making will have upon me.

(h). Existence of my rights

Please acknowledge and confirm within your response my right to request the rectification or erasure of my personal data and the right to object to or request a restriction the processing which is taking place.

Responding to my request

The above contains all necessary information in order for you to process my request and any delay by yourselves will not absolve you from providing me with the information within one calendar month of the date above as this is being sent to you as an attachment by email.

I believe that the information which has been requested should be readily available to you.

This request should not therefore fall within the legal definition of an excessive or manifestly unfounded request and should not attract any processing fee.

I would be grateful for your assistance in processing my request within the required one month period of your receipt.

Yours faithfully,

[your full name]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Private Parking Charge Notice from Parkingeye, Home Bargains, Shipley
« Reply #36 on: »
Thanks for this.

I have posted everything I have received and do not have a copy of the iMail report or screenshot so I will go back to her and request a copy.

Re: Private Parking Charge Notice from Parkingeye, Home Bargains, Shipley
« Reply #37 on: »
Hello. Here is the extract from the iMail report/ Outbound Correspondence that the BPA have suggested is proof that the NtK was sent. The iMail report clearly has my details attached to it, which no doubt proves it was printed but the screenshot from the outbound correspondence has no such detail……

Please find below the data you have requested.

Below shows the mail consolidator iMail report which shows the record of postage.

 UserName: ParkingeyePremium
FirstName:Parkingeye
LastName: Premium
CompanyName: Parking Eye   
DocumentId: xxxxxxx
ShortDocumentId:xxxxxxxxx
Product: Letter
Rate: Standard
International No
Colour:Yes
FullBleed: No
DoubleSided: Yes
SideCount: 2
Reference: PCN ref: xxxx Outbound Correspondence: xxxxx
RecipientName: xxxxx
Postcode: xxxxx
Address: xxxxxx
SubmissionDateTime: 21/12/2024
PrintedDateTime: 24/12/2024 07:01


Further to the above, the below shows the date in which the correspondence was sent:

All Outbound Correspondence


Date Issued      Description         Status
 
21/12/2024      Letter1 Ltr01 – 210      Sent

30/12/2024      Letter2 – Ltr02-210      Sent

Re: Private Parking Charge Notice from Parkingeye, Home Bargains, Shipley
« Reply #38 on: »
Can you not show the actual document?

All that shows is:

SubmissionDateTime: 21/12/2024
PrintedDateTime: 24/12/2024 07:01

The date that the PCN info was submitted by PE to their mail consolidator... 21st December 2024.
It also shows that their mail consolidator printed the PCN on 24th December 2024, 3 days later and still does not evidence the date that letter entered the postal system.

Also...

Further to the above, the below shows the date in which the correspondence was sent:

All Outbound Correspondence

Date Issued      Description         Status
 
21/12/2024      Letter1 Ltr01 – 210      Sent

30/12/2024      Letter2 – Ltr02-210      Sent

What does that show? As far as I can make out, it only shows the date the letter was sent (transmitted) to their mail consolidator. Nothing proves the date the letter entered the postal system. f they were using Royal Mail, they can get a free "proof of posting" certificate which is sufficient evidence that it entered the postal system on the date on the certificate.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Private Parking Charge Notice from Parkingeye, Home Bargains, Shipley
« Reply #39 on: »
This is the email they sent with the information in the body of the email they did not attach a document.

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Re: Private Parking Charge Notice from Parkingeye, Home Bargains, Shipley
« Reply #40 on: »
That appears to be from the BPA. It only shows that the letter was sent to the mail consolidator on that date. It is not proof of the date that the letter entered the postal system.

What is this other email that is referenced??

Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Private Parking Charge Notice from Parkingeye, Home Bargains, Shipley
« Reply #41 on: »
I assume that the first one is the Notice to Keeper (that did not arrive) and the second one is the reminder that I received on 3rd January. Can you confirm what are the likely next steps from ParkingEye now that the BPA have closed the case? The SAR will likely take weeks to come back (I have had no notification that they have been received). Many thanks.

Re: Private Parking Charge Notice from Parkingeye, Home Bargains, Shipley
« Reply #42 on: »
No way that a reminder is sent only 9 days after the original NtK. What you have been given by the BPA is not evidence of posting. It is only evidence of issue.

Their own CoP clearly states in section 8.1.2:

"...parking operators must retain a record of the date of posting of a notice, not simply of that notice having been generated (e.g. the date that any third-party Mail Consolidator actually put it in the postal system.)[/inddnt]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Private Parking Charge Notice from Parkingeye, Home Bargains, Shipley
« Reply #43 on: »
Hello. I have received an email today from ParkingEye. They are just reiterating what they have said before and as proof of postage have shown a section from the report from the mail consolidator (exactly the same as the BPA provided)…..


“We are writing in response to your recent correspondence regarding Parking Charge reference xxxx, which was passed to us by the British Parking Association.
 
The signage located at Home Bargains Shipley confirms the customer only car park has a 2-hour maximum stay period in operation. Vehicle registration xxxx remained within the car park on 18/12/2024 for 2 hours 21 minutes, therefore the terms and conditions were breached and the Parking Charge was incurred.
 
Our records confirm that correspondence was issued via the post on 21/12/2024 and 30/12/2024. We do appreciate your frustrations regarding the postal issues; however, any Royal Mail postal issues are unfortunately out Parkingeye’s control. Our mail consolidator report shows the below record of postage :-

We can confirm that complaint reference #xxxx, received on 04/01/2025 via our website was responded to via email on 22/01/2025. Copies of the postal correspondence were provided, together with the appeals procedure, our website link and postal address. The case was placed on hold to allow you to submit an appeal, or make a payment at the discounted amount.
 
Our records show that no appeal has been received to date and Parking Charge xxxx remains outstanding at £60.00.”

Re: Private Parking Charge Notice from Parkingeye, Home Bargains, Shipley
« Reply #44 on: »
Her sis why they have not shown that their NtK is PoFA compliant:

PoFA 9(6) – Presumption of Delivery

“A notice sent by post is to be presumed, unless the contrary is proved, to have been delivered (and so “given” for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4)) on the second working day after the day on which it is posted.”

This is a rebuttable presumption. It is not absolute. The burden of proof lies initially on the recipient (keeper), who must provide sufficient evidence to rebut the presumption.

What constitutes “proof to the contrary”?

To rebut the presumption, courts often require:

• Evidence raising reasonable doubt about delivery by the presumed date.
• Evidence that is more than mere assertion. A simple “I didn’t receive it” is usually not enough.

Where applicable, independent supporting evidence, such as:

• Proof of address accuracy issues
• Patterns of misdelivered post (e.g. letters arriving late or at wrong address)
• Evidence of the notice being sent second class or bulk mail without guaranteed delivery standards
• Absence of proof of actual date of posting (e.g. no franking or Post Office receipt)
• Poor scan quality or metadata anomalies in the operator’s documentation.

The presumption of service under Section 7 of the Interpretation Act 1978 also depends on proper addressing, prepaying, and posting. If the operator fails to prove these points, the presumption is not made out at all.

You may argue:

“The operator has failed to discharge the evidential burden of proving that the notice was properly addressed, pre-paid, and posted as required by Section 7 of the Interpretation Act 1978. Accordingly, the presumption of service cannot apply, or is rebutted.”

If the operator cannot prove posting on a specific date (e.g. no timestamp, no proof of mailing), they cannot benefit from the presumption of delivery under either PoFA or the Interpretation Act.

So, if you raise a substantive challenge to the operator’s claim of delivery and they fail to provide conclusive or adequate evidence, that can amount to the “contrary being proved”. It does not need to be a guaranteed rebuttal — a balance of probabilities is sufficient. If the operator relies on assumptions or generic processes, rather than specific proof of posting and addressing, you can argue the presumption is displaced.

I would respond to ParkingEye with the following:

Quote
Re: Parking Charge Reference [xxxx]
Vehicle Registration: [xxxx]

Formal Complaint – Continued

I refer to your recent correspondence following the British Parking Association’s (BPA) referral of my complaint back to you. Regrettably, your latest response entirely fails to address the core issue raised in my original complaint, namely that the Notice to Keeper (NtK) was not received, and therefore the requirement under Paragraph 9(5) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) — that the notice be “given” by the 14th day following the date of the alleged contravention — has not been met.

You rely on a mail consolidator report as proof of posting. However, PoFA 2012 requires more than internal records or generic process documentation to demonstrate that a notice was “given” within the statutory timeframe. Paragraph 9(6) of PoFA makes clear that the presumption of delivery on the second working day after posting only applies “unless the contrary is proved.”

That presumption is now rebutted.

I reiterate that the NtK dated 21/12/2024 was not received, and you have not provided any evidence capable of displacing that assertion. Your reference to a mail consolidator report lacks essential details such as:

The actual date of physical posting,
Confirmation that the mail was properly addressed, including full and correct flat/building numbers,
The class of post used (e.g. first-class, second-class, or non-priority),
Proof that the notice was handed over to Royal Mail for delivery, as required under Section 7 of the Interpretation Act 1978 to even engage the presumption of delivery.
Without these, the presumption under PoFA 9(6) cannot stand. It is insufficient to simply state that something was “issued” internally. Unless it was demonstrably posted and delivered within the prescribed timeframe, the statutory presumption of proper service does not apply.

Moreover, as PoFA compliance hinges on the notice being “given”, and your evidence fails to establish this, keeper liability has not been established in accordance with Schedule 4.

It is deeply unsatisfactory that a complaint specifically concerning the failure to demonstrate that a NtK was “given” has been dismissed based solely on a generic mail consolidator report, which does not itself prove that the notice was correctly addressed, prepaid and actually entered into the postal system. The requirement is not proof of delivery but rather proof of posting; only once proper posting is established does the statutory presumption of delivery arise. In this case, no such evidence has been provided beyond bare assertions and internal batch data, which are insufficient to satisfy the requirements of the Interpretation Act 1978 or to displace a credible assertion that the NtK was not received.

I again request that this Parking Charge be cancelled, and formal confirmation of cancellation provided. If you persist in pursuing this charge without satisfying the requirements of Schedule 4, I will escalate the matter to the DVLA and other relevant bodies for review of both your conduct and that of the BPA.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
[Address if not already provided]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain