Author Topic: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street  (Read 2803 times)

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Hi,

Firstly, thanks for all the help and advice people provide on this forum. Much appreciated.

I, the registered keeper, received a PCN from PPS in the post on 4th Feb. The PCN states it was issued on 28th January.

The vehicle was never actually parked but was merely stopped on the road for a few mins before turning around and heading off. Also, it was never on private land or a parking bay as claimed in the PCN, just adjacent to it on public road. As seen in the pictures in the PCN, the brake lights of the vehicle are lit indicating the vehicle was never parked but just stopped. The driver needed directions to go to a place, so stopped, asked for directions and left.

The quality of the pictures in the PCN are also terrible and does not show the vehicle in a bay or private land.

Any advice as to how to proceed with an appeal would be great.

Google Street view link - https://maps.app.goo.gl/aaV6bHkKNJLrW4j99

Many thanks,

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Not to worry. You are just one of literally thousands who have been suckered into this well know scam at this location. If you follow the advice, you won't be paying a penny to PPS.

There are several things wrong with the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) that has been issued as a postal Notice to Keeper (NtK). The first one is that it is not fully compliant with all the requirements of PoFA to be able to hold the Keeper liable for the charge. PPS have absolutely no idea who the driver is unless the Keeper blabs it to them, inadvertently or otherwise.

The Keeper and the driver are two separate legal entities and there is no legal obligation on the Keeper to identify the driver. They are not allowed to assume or infer that the Keeper is also the driver. As the Keeper, you should always refer to the driver in the third person. No "I did this or that". Only "The driver did this or that". So, don't tell 'em your name Pike!

Also, the location is NOT Holloway Street but Mattise Road. I have seen PPS provide doctored maps to POPLA to try and con them about this issue.

For now, as PPS will reject any initial appeal, just send the following and wait for the rejection and the POPLA code.

Easy one to deal with… as long as the unknown drivers identity is not revealed. There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. PPS has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. PPS have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Thanks a ton.

I'll get that sent to them and update when I get a response.

Hello again

I've been waiting to get a response on my appeal with PPS but interestingly I today received another Notice to Keeper stating my parking charge is now overdue and that I now have to pay £100. It looks like they have changed the instructions on how to appeal now. It used to be via post or email previously on their website(which weirdly doesnt work currently). I went onto their current appeals portal and that says "This PCN has already been appealed" and gives me an Independent appeals code.

I have checked my emails including spam and I haven't received a response from PPS for my appeal. Any advice on next steps would be great. Should I contact them via email or call and let them know whats happening?

Many thanks,

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What was the date of your appeal rejection?
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

I haven't got one. I haven't received any email or post regarding my appeal. The date I sent PPS the email with the appeal form was Feb 8th.

That second image says your appeal has been rejected and gives you an “Independent Appeal Code”. I’m assuming hat that is a POPLA code which is valid for 33 days from the appeal rejection date. Is that image a screenshot or is it something that was received by email?

The problem now is that PPSs website has been down for at least 24 hours now. I suggest an immediate complaint to the BPA informing them that you have not had a response to your formal complaint or appeal to PPS and that their website is not working. Try and access their website and get a screenshot of the error code.

Complain tot the BPA that the link on their own website to the PPS complaints procedure does not work either. As PPS are uncontactable by any electronic means, demand that they get their member to respond to the appeal, complaint and get their website sorted.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

I have not had any communication from PPS regarding the rejection of the appeal. The only communications I'd had from them are the 2 NtKs.

The second image is a screenshot of their appeals portal (https://ppsappeals.co.uk). Previously, their website(which doesn't work now) did not mention anything about this portal and instructed appeals to be made by filling out a PDF and posting or emailing which I did. Even typing "private parking solutions pcn appeal" into Google does not bring up this portal. It only gives links of the non-working website.

There is a web archive of websites which you can use to see what a website used to look when it was working. I've attached links to their homepage and the appeals page. This is what I saw back in Feb when I appealed and their website was working.

Homepage - https://web.archive.org/web/20241212162014/http://privateparkingsolutions.com/index.html
Appeals page - https://web.archive.org/web/20240814144752/http://privateparkingsolutions.com/appeal.html

Regarding the complaint to BPA, does the following content look ok?
"""
Hi,

I received the first Notice to Keeper from Private Parking Solutions Ltd(PPS) which was issued on 28th Jan 2025 demanding a discounted charge of £60. I went to their website(https://www.privateparkingsolutions.com/) and followed their instructions to appeal the PCN which asked me to download an Appeals form PDF, fill it and send it to them via post or email. I sent the filled appeals form on 8th Feb 2025 to the email stated on their website at the time (appeals@privateparkingsolutions.co.uk)

Since then, I have not had any response to my appeal, nor have I had any communication from PPS.

I recently received another Notice to Keeper from PPS stating the charge is now £100.

I tried accessing their website but it currently does not work. The link to PPS's own complaints procedure doesn't work either as their entire website doesn't work. I have not been able to contact PPS by any electronic means, hence I demand that PPS respond to my appeal, my complaint and fix their website immediately.

Link to PPS website - https://www.privateparkingsolutions.com/

I have attached the Notice to Keepers, my appeal email and screenshots of their website not working.

"""

Use this as your formal complaint to the BPA:

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Subject: Formal Complaint – Private Parking Solutions Ltd (PPS) – Failure to Respond to Appeal and Inaccessibility of Website and Complaints Procedure

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to raise a formal complaint against your approved operator member, Private Parking Solutions Ltd (PPS).

I received a Notice to Keeper from PPS dated 28 January 2025, requesting payment of £60. In accordance with the instructions provided on their website at the time (https://www.privateparkingsolutions.com/), I downloaded their PDF appeals form and submitted a completed copy by email to appeals@privateparkingsolutions.co.uk on 8 February 2025.

Since submitting my appeal, I have not received any communication whatsoever from PPS regarding a rejection or outcome. The only correspondence I have received from them to date are the two Notices to Keeper, the second of which now demands £100.

PPS has not acknowledged my appeal, and I have been given no opportunity to escalate the matter internally through a complaints process. Their website has now been entirely inaccessible for at least 48 hours, and the link listed in the BPA’s own public register of operators for their complaints procedure is currently non-functional.

This renders it impossible for any motorist to submit or exhaust a formal complaint, contrary to the standards set out in the Private Parking Single Code of Practice, which mandates that members must have an accessible and responsive complaints procedure. It is fundamentally unfair and unreasonable for a BPA member to be uncontactable, especially where the failure lies with their systems, not the motorist.

Further, while I have recently become aware of a separate website (https://ppsappeals.co.uk), PPS's original website — which was working at the time of my appeal — made no reference to this portal. I followed the only process made available to me at the time. Even now, searching Google for "Private Parking Solutions PCN appeal" does not return this appeals portal; instead, it leads only to their non-functioning website.

For reference, I provide archived copies of their website as it appeared at the time I submitted my appeal:

• Homepage (as of 12 December 2024): https://web.archive.org/web/20241212162014/http://privateparkingsolutions.com/index.html
• Appeals Page (as of 14 August 2024): https://web.archive.org/web/20240814144752/http://privateparkingsolutions.com/appeal.html

The archived appeals page clearly instructs motorists to download the appeal form and submit it via email or post, which I did in good faith.

Given the above, I respectfully but firmly request that the BPA:

• Takes immediate action to instruct PPS to respond to my appeal without further delay;
• Freezes the charge amount pending resolution of the outstanding appeal;
• Investigates PPS's apparent breach of the Code of Practice in failing to maintain working communications and a functioning complaints procedure;
• Ensures that PPS's listed contact methods on the BPA register are accurate and operational.

This situation is wholly unsatisfactory and a source of considerable frustration. PPS’s continued non-responsiveness and inaccessibility places the motorist at an unfair disadvantage. I expect the BPA to uphold its duty of oversight in this matter.

I have attached:

• Both Notices to Keeper received;
• My email containing the completed appeal;
• Screenshots of the non-functional website and the PPS appeals portal;
• Screenshots of search results showing no visible access to the portal;
• Archived links evidencing the original website’s content.

I look forward to your prompt response and action.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name]
[Your Address]
[Your Contact Details]
[Vehicle Registration Number]
[PCN Reference Number]

Upo may want to copy in your MP and have them put pressure on the useless BPA to get their house in order.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Thank you so much.

Really appreciate your help and effort.

BPA now have an online form to fill for complaints so I've done that with all the above information.
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Hello,

As an update, my case with the BPA is still in Open-Logged status. Its been open for 15 days now. I couldn't find a way to ring them to get the status. Should I just wait for their response or do something to get in contact with them?

Also, PPS's old website magically seems to be working again. I thought I'll try ringing them to see if they answered and they did. Only providing the PCN reference I told I never received the rejection and asked for evidence of the appeal rejection being sent but was told they wouldn't discuss it further and asked me to email info@privateparkingsolutions.co.uk requesting the rejection letter. When asked if that would include evidence of them responding to me on the date they claim(14th Feb 2025), they said they wouldnt discuss anything further. They mentioned they could give me the option of paying the reduced £60 if I wanted to because "You say you didn't receive the rejection letter" and that it is currently very close to being passed on to debt collectors. The reason for the rejection given was "The vehicle was parked in a no parking zone".

Any advice on further steps greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

What does the BPA website say about their response time for a complaint? If you can't find out, contact them and ask.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Hi,

I found this on their website
https://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/BPA/BPA_Complaints_Policy_and_Procedure.pdf

According to that the BPA should've acknowledged my complaint within 5 days but I didn't receive any. Although I can see on their tracking website that my complaint is lodged with them and it's in Open status. The link also states they will respond within 28 days so a bit of time left still.

The BPA also state that a complaint should first be raised with the parking operator so was wondering now that PPS's website is working again if I should raise a complaint with them?

Thanks

New single Code of Practice Annex F1 exemption (Ie no charge)

g) a vehicle paused on a private road network simply because the driver needs to check
directions e.g. on an industrial estate where the driver has a legitimate need to access
premises within that estate.


https://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS/Sector%20Code%20Templates/sectorsingleCodeofPracticeVersion1.1130225.pdf
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Thanks @Charitynjw. Yes, the driver never parked the vehicle there but merely stopped for a very short period. All of the pictures provided of the vehicle show the vehicle was still turned on and are within a timespan of 3mins.

I was waiting for advice if I should raise a complaint with PPS now that their website works again or wait for BPA's response before taking any further action.
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