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Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
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I have received an email response for my SAR request from Debt Recovery Plus as a zip file that is password protected. The password that they have provided me with is not working and is not opening the file. I called to enquire regarding this but was told that I would get a call back from the manager. However, I have not had a call back. How should I proceed?

Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
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Why were you even communicating with the powerless DRP? They are irrelevant to anything going on here. They should be ignored. There only power is to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
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I wrote to pess requesting SAR as suggested in the thread but Debt recovery plus sent me the email with the file stating that they share the files.

Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
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Thank you for all the responses and advice so far. I have been told by PESS that the debt company(DRP) is now the sole point of contact for my charge. As written previously, I have 2 PCNs here. DRP complaints team took up the case after my formal complaint and have now come back to me apologising for the error in one of the PCNs and have dropped that charge since it was indeed less than the stipulated 30 mins parking time. However, they are still withholding the other charge where they claim I was there for 34 mins. However, for this PCN I had sent google maps timeline which shows that I wasn't on the site at the entry time stated in the ANPR. I possess doorbell camera evidence for this charge which also proves that I couldn't have reached the site at the time stamp of the ANPR. They have igored this completely though I haven't shared the doorbel cam evidence but have only stated it to them. I have sent the google maps timeline in my appeal though. I would be very grateful if you could please help me understand how I should proceed further. They have accepted their error but not before harrassing me for weeks with the debt letters. Are they liable for this? I would like to simply ask(demand) them to drop all charges and forget this nightmare. Please help.

Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
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What matters right now is that you ignore DRP entirely. They are not a party to any contract and have no standing. The data controllers are PESS for the parking operation and PCS for their letters. Your SAR rights are owed by the controllers. An unreadable or wrong-password file does not satisfy a SAR. Under UK GDPR the controller must facilitate access within one month in an intelligible, accessible form. The clock does not stop because they sent a bad password.

They have already admitted an ANPR error on one PCN. That supports a systemic multiple-visit or orphan-image problem. Your Google Timeline and your doorbell footage contradict the remaining PCN’s alleged entry time. The sign shows “30 minutes maximum stay” and contains no “no return within X hours” term, so two separate short visits are not a breach.

Debt-collector letters are noise. Only a Letter of Claim or a County Court claim matters. Harassment claims for debt letters alone are rarely worth pursuing, but their unreasonable conduct can count against them on costs if they sue and then lose or discontinue late.

For now write to the PESS Data Protection Officer and copy the PCS DPO. State that you made a SAR to PESS, that a third party sent an inaccessible password-protected file, and that this does not satisfy PESS’s duty as controller. Require PESS to provide the disclosure directly to you or via a working secure link within 7 days and confirm that the original one-month SAR deadline continues to run. Require them to place enforcement on hold while they comply.

Send a SAR scope and hold request to the PESS DPO (copy PCS). Require full-day ANPR event logs for your VRM for each incident date including all images and camera IDs or locations, the operator’s manual quality-control checks for orphan images or multiple visits, the DVLA reasonable-cause audit trail showing who requested data and when, all correspondence logs including email send logs and metadata for the alleged 14 July rejection, and site-signage images current at the time. Ask them to keep all processing and enforcement on hold for 30 days while they comply.

Send a cancellation demand to PESS complaints (copy PCS and the estate or landowner or managing agent). Say they have admitted one PCN was wrong because it was under 30 minutes, that your evidence shows the remaining ANPR “entry” is wrong, that the sign contains no no-return term so multiple short visits are not prohibited, and that their Code requires manual ANPR checks for orphan images which they appear not to have done, resulting in an unreliable DVLA data use. Ask them to cancel the remaining PCN or, failing that, to re-open ADR and issue a fresh POPLA code in light of their admitted error and your new evidence. Give 14 days.

Prepare your evidence bundle but hold the video unless litigation starts. Export Google Location History for both dates in raw form and a printable view. Export the doorbell clip and keep the original. Note the device clock settings and keep a checksum. Gather any school or nursery timings, receipts, or a brief witness note.

At the same time, complain to DVLA (Step 2) that PESS pursued you using unreliable ANPR without required orphan-image checks, that one PCN has already been admitted as wrong, and ask for an investigation into their reasonable-cause use. If the SAR remains non-compliant or they refuse to correct inaccurate data, complain to the ICO for failure to facilitate access and for processing inaccurate data.

As already mentioned, ignore everything from DRP. Only respond to a Letter of Claim or a court claim. If a Letter of Claim arrives, reply within 30 days with a short evidence summary, demand full ANPR logs and QC records, put them to strict proof on signage terms and ANPR accuracy, and state that you will seek costs for unreasonable conduct and any false debt-recovery add-ons.

Deal only with PESS and PCS. Force proper SAR compliance within 7 days. Demand cancellation using the admitted ANPR failure and the missing no-return term. Copy in the landowner. Prepare for a Letter of Claim.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
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Apologies for not updating- I did recieve the SAR details after I pursued. I wrote to PESS but they have clearly replied saying that I am to only deal with DRP as PESS are off the case and have handed over everything to DRP.
After a few back and forth emails to all parties, the DRP complaints team have come back and cancelled one PCN because their calculation of my stay was wrong as mentioned in my post above.
Is there any way I could get the second PCN cancelled as well before it escalates to county court? If it does go there, I have evidence from my Google location timeline as well as my neighbour's doorbell cam recording but I am exhausted already dealing with it having spent endless hours researching, gathering evidence and communicating with so many different parties. I personally do not want to spend more time on this matter and want this to end. Any help is appreciated.

Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
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Well, it won't "just go away" unless you cave in and pay the scammers. All you have to do is send the following emails and you can safely ignore DRP or any other useless debt collector.

Send the following to PESS and CC PCS and yourself:

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Subject: PCN [ref B] – cancellation or ADR re-opening

Dear Sir or Madam,

You (or your agent) have already cancelled PCN [ref A] after admitting an ANPR timing error. The remaining PCN [ref B] is also unreliable. My Google Location History contradicts your alleged entry time for [date], and I hold doorbell footage confirming I could not have been on site at that time. Your signage states “30 minutes maximum stay” and contains no “no return within
  • hours” term, therefore separate short visits are not a breach. The PPSCoP requires manual checks for multiple visits and orphan images. The admitted error on PCN [ref A] indicates those checks were not performed.


Please cancel PCN [ref B] within 14 days. In the alternative, re-open ADR and issue a fresh POPLA code so the matter can be reviewed in light of your conceded ANPR failure and my evidence.

For the avoidance of doubt, Debt Recovery Plus have no standing or locus whatsoever: they are not a party to any alleged contract, cannot determine liability, and cannot litigate. Do not refer me to the useless and powerless DRP. Any approach via DRP will be ignored and treated as harassment; I will report misuse of my data to the DVLA and ICO and seek costs for unreasonable conduct if proceedings are issued.

DRP are irrelevant to this matter—stop sharing my data with them and you can refer them to the answer given in Arkell v Pressdram (1971). All future contact must come directly from you as creditor or from a regulated firm of solicitors only.

Please confirm cancellation or provide a fresh POPLA code within 14 days.

Yours faithfully,

[Name]
[Address]
[Email]
[VRM]
[PCN ref B]
cc: PCS

Send the following to the Landowner or Estate/Managing Agent and CC yourself:

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Subject: Immediate action required – your liability as principal – PCN [ref B], [site]

Dear Sirs,

You appointed the parking contractor at [site] and you retain contractual control. Their actions are carried out as your agent. One PCN ([ref A]) has already been cancelled after the contractor admitted an ANPR timing error. The remaining PCN ([ref B]) is also disputed on clear evidence (Google Location History and doorbell footage). The signage says “30 minutes maximum stay” and does not prohibit returns. Separate short visits are not a breach.

I am putting you on notice that if this matter is pushed into litigation I will:
1. Treat you as the principal responsible for your agent’s conduct and losses caused by it.
2. Seek to recover my costs flowing from unreasonable conduct, including the contractor’s refusal to cancel when presented with clear evidence and their admitted system error on [ref A].
3. Consider applying to add you as a party or to seek appropriate orders requiring your involvement and disclosure, on the basis that you control the contract and can instruct cancellation.
4. Rely on this notice when asking the court to make appropriate cost orders.

You can avoid this by instructing your contractor to cancel PCN [ref B] now. Please confirm cancellation within 7 days. If you do not, this letter will be relied upon to show you were warned of your potential liability and given a fair chance to resolve the issue.

Attached: cancellation confirmation for PCN [ref A]; Google Timeline extract for [date]. The doorbell footage is retained and will be produced if required.

Yours faithfully,

[Name]
[Address]
[Email]
[VRM]
[PCN ref B]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain