Author Topic: PCN received from Gemini for waiting in parking area at Copthall Leisure Centre  (Read 513 times)

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Hello,

Would appreciate some advice here. I received a PCN from Gemini for waiting in the car park of Copthall Leisure Centre for 18 mins while my daughter was at a Swimming Gala. I was not the driver of the car. Am I under any obligation to disclose who the driver is and as the RK am I liable for the penalty charge regardless of who was driving?

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Please read the READ THIS FIRST and do as it requests, without more information I think you’ll find nobody here can help you.

There is no legal obligation on the Keeper to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking company. No "penalty charge" has been issued. More likely a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) issued as a postal Notice to Keeper (NtK).

The only way that the Keeper can be liable for the PCN is if Gemini have fully complied with all the requirements of PoFA. Without seeing both sides of the original NtK with all dates and times showing, we can't tell.

However, it is rare that a company manages to fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA, so please show the NtK to us.

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Hi,

Thanks for the advice. I've added the PCN and removed any identifying data.

Thanks,

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Sigh... why have we got to download this, convert it to a jpg image and the host it on Imgur, so we don't have to keep the pdf version on our own computers and have refer to it instead of just viewing an image within the thread like this?



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The Notice to Keeper has not been given within the required PoFA deadline of 14 days from the date of the alleged contravention, Sunday 12th January, as it was issued on Thursday 23rd January, which means that it was "given" two working days later, Monday 27th January. Sunday 12th January to Monday 27th January is 15 days.

Easy one to deal with... as long as the unknown drivers identity is not revealed. There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. Gemini has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. Gemini have no hope should you try and escalate this to a court claim, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Thanks so much. Will let you know the outcome.

Just want to say thanks. They cancelled the 'parking charge'. Much appreciated.
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