Author Topic: UKCPS Parking Charge - No Permit in Visitor Parking spot - Ochre Mews, Gateshead, NE8 2FF  (Read 837 times)

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Hi all,

A car for which I am registered keeper was parked in a bay marked 'VP' outside an apartment.  Other bays owned by residents are marked by numbers.  The car has been parked in this location before with no issue.  The car was parked on Sunday 23/11/25, and the Notice to Keeper is dated 26/11/25 and arrived 04/12/25.

Notice to keeper pictures:

https://ibb.co/zKW2Qr8

https://ibb.co/ns60KwTT

I believe that the VP spaces are designated visitor parking for people visiting residents of the apartment.  I am unaware of any visitor parking permit system. 

Parking sign:

https://ibb.co/gLf5nLLB

The car appears to be correctly parked in a visitor bay.

Parked car with VP marking:

https://ibb.co/nqV3nMrS

I note that the appeal reason, "I was a visitor/guest on site" seems to act as confirmation of the driver?

Appeals form:

https://ibb.co/whksBh21

What do you think of my chances with this one?  Any obvious issues that I may have or further information I should supply?  I was planning to follow the UKCPS appeals process as I have received the notice to keeper, but I'm unsure which reason I should go with.  Is the template text from MSE forums applicable to my case?

Cheers for reading and thanks for any help.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2025, 06:32:57 pm by LongTimeListenerFirstTimeAppealer »

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Do not be entrapped by their portal. Just use "Other".

In what capacity was the driver there as? I ask because it sounds as though you may be a resident who may have been using the VP for your won purposes. If so, what does your lease/AST say about parking at the property?

What precisely are you planning to put as your appeal? You may want to run it by us first just in case you are about to FUBAR it.

Any appeal as Keeper only should concentrate on the following main points:

Explain first that the vehicle was parked in a bay clearly marked “VP” while visiting a resident. Other bays are individually numbered and obviously reserved for specific flats. It is entirely reasonable to understand “VP” as a visitor parking bay, especially as the vehicle has been parked there previously without issue and there is no information anywhere on site explaining a visitor-permit scheme or how a visitor could obtain a permit.

You should then focus on the wording of the sign. It states that “Parking is permitted for permit holders only when parking wholly in their allocated bays and displaying a valid permit clearly within the windscreen at all times.” That is a prohibitive sign: it does not make any offer at all to a driver who does not already hold a permit, and it says nothing about visitor bays or visitor permits. A sign which simply forbids parking without a permit cannot create any contractual liability for a non-permit holder; at most it alleges trespass, and only the landowner – not UKCPS – could pursue a claim for trespass. On its own wording, the sign is incapable of forming a contractual agreement with a visitor who does not already possess some undefined permit.

You should also argue that no contract could have been formed because UKCPS have not evidenced any period of parking beyond the obligatory minimum consideration period. A driver is entitled to enter, locate a space, read and consider the terms and then decide whether to stay. The Notice to Keeper only shows a single “time of issue” and no entry and exit times, no observation period, and no evidence that the vehicle was stationary for longer than the minimum consideration period allowed by the industry Code. Without a recorded period of parking beyond that initial consideration period, UKCPS cannot show that the driver had a fair chance to read the terms, agree to them and then breach them. The charge appears to have been issued prematurely, before any contract could possibly have been formed.

As Keeper, you should challenge their attempt to rely on the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. The Notice to Keeper does not “specify the period of parking” at all; it gives a single timestamp only. A moment in time is not a period of parking. Because the statutory wording has not been met, UKCPS cannot transfer any alleged liability from the unidentified driver to you as Keeper. State clearly that you will not be naming the driver and that there is no legal obligation on you to do so.

Bring these strands together by stating that: (1) the “VP” marking reasonably indicates visitor parking; (2) there is no clear or prominent information about any visitor-permit requirement; (3) the sign is prohibitive and incapable of creating a contract with a non-permit holder; (4) no period of parking beyond the minimum consideration period has been evidenced, so no contract could have been formed or breached; and (5) the Notice to Keeper fails to comply with PoFA because it does not specify any period of parking, so you, as Keeper, cannot be held liable. Invite UKCPS to cancel the charge on these grounds.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Cheers b789, that's a really comprehensive and helpful reply!


The driver was visiting a resident of that estate.  The driver does not live at this property. The resident has their own numbered parking space.  The resident has since said they are unaware of any visitor permits, such as a book of visitor permit tickets. 

My first action is contacting the property management company on Monday morning.  I've tracked down their details, so I'll ask if they can waive the charge.


If the property management company will not ask UKPC to waive the ticket -

The notice to keeper was sent on 26/11, and states it considers the letter to be received after 2 working days, on 28/11.  This implies that a 14 day appeal can be made anytime before 12/12.  I was planning to appeal as the keeper on 11/12.

I have read that appealing via the UKCPS portal is unlikely to succeed, but is still a necessary step.  Following your helpful comment on entrappment, I would choose "other".  My initial thought had been to contest that the car is clearly parked in a visitor space, and that the driver was legitimately using this space to visit a resident of the building.


"Bring these strands together by stating that: (1) the “VP” marking reasonably indicates visitor parking; (2) there is no clear or prominent information about any visitor-permit requirement; (3) the sign is prohibitive and incapable of creating a contract with a non-permit holder; (4) no period of parking beyond the minimum consideration period has been evidenced, so no contract could have been formed or breached; and (5) the Notice to Keeper fails to comply with PoFA because it does not specify any period of parking, so you, as Keeper, cannot be held liable. Invite UKCPS to cancel the charge on these grounds."


After reading your reply + information on FTLA, MSE, and Parking Cowboys, I can't disagree with anything you've typed.  From my (admittedly limited) understanding, the prohibitive sign seems to be a particularly strong defence, as UKCPS would rely on entering a contract.  As I said, cracking reply and thank you for your help.  I'll update with any developments.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2025, 07:16:18 pm by LongTimeListenerFirstTimeAppealer »

As I said, if Plans A, B and C are unsuccessful, Plan D will see it off eventually when the county court claim is either struck out or discontinued.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

I have now received replies from the property managers that I contacted.  Unfortunately they all said, "We can't help, contact UKCPS..."  With that in mind I am planning to submit my appeal tomorrow, 11/12, on the 13th day since the notice was considered posted.

Please have a look at what I have drafted.  It's almost identical to b789's post.  If I am in danger of imminent FUBAR, please warn me and I'll change things up!  The original reply seemed comprehensive, factual, and well worded.

I will be supporting the appeal with an image that clearly shows the accompanying numbered bays, to help differentiate the allocated spots from visitor parking.

Cheers for taking a look.



The vehicle was parked in a bay clearly marked “VP” while visiting a resident.  Other bays are individually numbered and obviously reserved for specific flats.  It is entirely reasonable to understand “VP” as a visitor parking bay.  There is no information anywhere on site explaining a visitor-permit scheme or how a visitor could obtain a permit.

The parking sign states that “Parking is permitted for permit holders only when parking wholly in their allocated bays and displaying a valid permit clearly within the windscreen at all times.”  That is a prohibitive sign: it does not make any offer at all to a driver who does not already hold a permit, and it says nothing about visitor bays or visitor permits.  A sign which simply forbids parking without a permit cannot create any contractual liability for a non-permit holder.  On its own wording, the sign is incapable of forming a contractual agreement with a visitor who does not already possess some undefined permit.

No contract could have been formed as UKCPS have not evidenced any period of parking beyond the obligatory minimum consideration period.  A driver is entitled to enter, locate a space, read and consider the terms and then decide whether to stay.  The Notice to Keeper only shows a single “time of issue” and no entry and exit times, no observation period, and no evidence that the vehicle was stationary for longer than the minimum consideration period allowed by the industry Code.  Without a recorded period of parking beyond that initial consideration period, UKCPS cannot show that the driver had a fair chance to read the terms, agree to them and then breach them.

As Keeper, I challenge any attempt to rely on the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.  The Notice to Keeper does not “specify the period of parking” at all; it gives a single timestamp only.  A moment in time is not a period of parking.  Because the statutory wording has not been met, UKCPS cannot transfer any alleged liability from the unidentified driver to me as Keeper. I will not be naming the driver, and there is no legal obligation on me to do so.

To conclude, (1) the “VP” marking reasonably indicates visitor parking; (2) there is no clear or prominent information about any visitor-permit requirement; (3) the sign is prohibitive and incapable of creating a contract with a non-permit holder; (4) no period of parking beyond the minimum consideration period has been evidenced, so no contract could have been formed or breached; and (5) the Notice to Keeper fails to comply with PoFA because it does not specify any period of parking, so I, as Keeper, cannot be held liable.

I invite UKCPS to cancel the charge on these grounds.

Your draft is absolutely fine in terms of direction and you are nowhere near FUBAR. It hits all the right points and keeps the driver anonymous.

If you want to tighten it, I would only suggest very minor tweaks rather than a full rewrite:

1. In the first paragraph, you could add a short line to make it explicit that the visit was invited, for example “The driver was an invited visitor to a lawful resident of the estate.” That reinforces that the car was not an interloper.

2. Where you refer to the “industry Code”, you might change that to “the applicable Code of Practice” so it cannot be argued that you have referred to the wrong document. The point about a minimum consideration period still stands without naming any specific Code.

3. After the paragraph about the prohibitive wording, you could add one short sentence such as “In those circumstances, the only possible allegation would be trespass, which only the landowner could pursue, not UKCPS.” That underlines the “no contract” point.

4. I would keep the PoFA section exactly as you have it. It is clear, accurate and firmly states that you will not be naming the driver.

5. At the top of the text, when you paste it into the portal, make sure the appeal is clearly in the name of the registered keeper and that you select “other” and do not tick anything that suggests you were the driver.

Attach the photo showing the VP bay and the neighbouring numbered bays as you planned, submit it and then sit back. This is as strong and concise a keeper appeal as UKCPS are likely to see.

Appealing on day 13 specifically for the sake of the mugs “discount” is, bluntly, pointless. With UKCPS (IPC member) the “appeal” is guaranteed to be rejected anyway and they routinely re-offer the reduced amount in the rejection. The only thing you needs to care about is:

– getting a solid keeper appeal in within the stated appeal window; and
– not naming the driver.

Whether that goes in on day 3, 10 or 20 doesn’t change the legal position at all. You shouldn’t be trying to game the mugs discount clock; you should be assuming you will never pay a penny and that this will be fought if necessary.

On the property managers, they need something more forceful. Right now the managing agents have fobbed you off because the request was too “polite please help” and not “you are the principal, this is your mess, fix it”.

Can you get the resident you were visiting to send something along these lines (with you copied in):

Quote
Dear [Name],

I am the leaseholder/tenant of [full address]. On 23/11/25 my invited visitor parked in the bay marked ‘VP’ directly outside my property. My own allocated bay is [number]. UKCPS have issued a Parking Charge Notice alleging that a permit should have been displayed.

I have never been provided with any visitor permits, nor have I ever been informed of any visitor-permit scheme. The bays on this estate are either numbered (allocated to specific properties) or marked ‘VP’, which any reasonable person would understand to mean ‘Visitor Parking’. There is no clear signage at the VP bay explaining that visitors must obtain or display a permit, nor how they could possibly do so. My visitor has parked in that VP bay on previous occasions without issue.

UKCPS are your contractor, not mine. They act on your instructions and for your commercial benefit. It is unacceptable that my invited guests are being threatened with Ł100 charges for using what is plainly marked as a visitor bay, in circumstances where no visitor permit scheme has ever been communicated to me. This amounts to harassment of my visitors and an unreasonable interference with my right to receive guests.

As principal, you are fully able to instruct UKCPS to cancel this charge. I require you to do so and to confirm in writing that invited visitors may park in VP bays without penalty unless and until a clear, fair and properly communicated visitor-permit scheme is put in place.

If you refuse to intervene, please confirm:

– who within your organisation authorised UKCPS’s operation on this estate;
– a copy of any policy that explains how VP bays are intended to be used; and
– why you consider it reasonable to allow your agent to pursue my invited guests for Ł100 for using what is signed on the ground as visitor parking.

If this matter is not resolved promptly I will escalate my complaint to the freeholder and, if necessary, consider taking advice on your liability for the actions of your contractor.

Yours faithfully,
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Here is the final version I went with, and also the supporting photograph

Photograph of numbered bays next to VP spot -

https://i.ibb.co/r2LmLJxc/Numbered-spaces-next-to-VP-spaces.png


I selected "Registered keeper" for appeal and confirmed my details only as the keepers, then chose "Other" for my appeal reason.



The vehicle was parked in a bay clearly marked “VP” while visiting a resident.  The driver was an invited visitor to a lawful resident of the estate.  Other bays are individually numbered and obviously reserved for specific flats.  I have attached a photograph showing the spaces which are allocated by number to specific residents.  It is entirely reasonable to understand “VP” as a visitor parking bay.  There is no information anywhere on site explaining a visitor-permit scheme or how a visitor could obtain a permit.

The parking sign states that “Parking is permitted for permit holders only when parking wholly in their allocated bays and displaying a valid permit clearly within the windscreen at all times.”  That is a prohibitive sign: it does not make any offer at all to a driver who does not already hold a permit, and it says nothing about visitor bays or visitor permits.  A sign which simply forbids parking without a permit cannot create any contractual liability for a non-permit holder.  On its own wording, the sign is incapable of forming a contractual agreement with a visitor who does not already possess some undefined permit.  In those circumstances, the only possible allegation would be trespass, which only the landowner could pursue, not UKCPS.

No contract could have been formed as UKCPS have not evidenced any period of parking beyond the obligatory minimum consideration period.  A driver is entitled to enter, locate a space, read and consider the terms and then decide whether to stay.  The Notice to Keeper only shows a single “time of issue” and no entry and exit times, no observation period, and no evidence that the vehicle was stationary for longer than the minimum consideration period allowed by the applicable Code of Practice.  Without a recorded period of parking beyond that initial consideration period, UKCPS cannot show that the driver had a fair chance to read the terms, agree to them and then breach them.

As Keeper, I challenge any attempt to rely on the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.  The Notice to Keeper does not “specify the period of parking” at all; it gives a single timestamp only.  A moment in time is not a period of parking.  Because the statutory wording has not been met, UKCPS cannot transfer any alleged liability from the unidentified driver to me as Keeper. I will not be naming the driver, and there is no legal obligation on me to do so.

To conclude, (1) the “VP” marking reasonably indicates visitor parking; (2) there is no clear or prominent information about any visitor-permit requirement; (3) the sign is prohibitive and incapable of creating a contract with a non-permit holder; (4) no period of parking beyond the minimum consideration period has been evidenced, so no contract could have been formed or breached; and (5) the Notice to Keeper fails to comply with PoFA because it does not specify any period of parking, so I, as Keeper, cannot be held liable.

I invite UKCPS to cancel the charge on these grounds.



I will try again with the property managers.  I had asked my friend to email as well on my behalf, so I'll check whether he's done that, and if not I'll give him the souped-up version!

Thank you again, b789, for your help and advice.  The draft is 99% based on the factual points you listed.  That's a good point re. their internal appeals process!  Seeing as UKCPS are part of IPC, I understand the next stage of their process is the Independent Appeals Service, but it sounds like "Independent" is questionably used in this case!
« Last Edit: December 11, 2025, 10:36:22 pm by LongTimeListenerFirstTimeAppealer »
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The resident (your friend) should now be the one pushing the managing agent. They have the leverage because they are the customer, and UKCPS is merely the managing agent’s contractor. The resident should frame this squarely as an unreasonable interference with their right to receive invited visitors, and as a failure by the managing agent to properly control its agent. The message should make clear that cancellation is required as a matter of principle, not requested as a favour.

If the managing agent again responds with a dismissive “we can’t help, contact UKCPS”, the resident should reply and require clear answers in writing. Specifically, they should ask for the name and contact details of the freeholder or estate manager who has authority over UKCPS, a copy of any visitor parking policy and an explanation of where and how that policy is communicated to residents, confirmation of how a visitor is supposed to obtain a permit, from whom, and at what times, and confirmation of whether “VP” means visitor parking and, if it does not, what it is intended to mean. This forces the managing agent off the stock response and into either instructing cancellation or exposing that no coherent visitor parking system actually exists.

For any later correspondence from yourself, it is sensible to be slightly careful about how the consideration period point is framed. The stronger and safest position is that UKCPS has failed to evidence or specify any period of parking at all in the Notice to Keeper, as required by statute, because it relies on a single timestamp or “time of issue”. That point is unanswerable on the face of the notice. Arguing that the vehicle was not parked beyond the minimum consideration period remains valid if the operator has no timed evidence, but it is better not to over-commit to that phrasing until their evidence pack is known.

As submitted, the Keeper appeal is strong, coherent, and safe. It preserves all key arguments and does not prejudice your position going forward.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

I have now received a rejection for my appeal that was submitted to UKCPS:

"Thank you for your appeal submitted on 11th December 2025. After reviewing your comments, and carefully
considering the evidence collected at the time the Parking Charge was issued, we regret to inform you that your
appeal has been unsuccessful. The reasons for our decision are detailed below:

We have reviewed your appeal and the points raised; however, the Parking Charge remains valid.
It was observed that you failed to display a valid permit. Parking terms and conditions, including permit
requirements, are implemented to ensure an efficient and organised parking system for all residents, tenants,
visitors, etc. It is imperative that all individuals adhere to these terms and conditions to maintain order and fairness.

Whilst we acknowledge that there may have been mitigating circumstances, it remains the responsibility of the
driver to comply with the parking terms and conditions and properly display a valid permit at all times. Failure to do so can inconvenience others and disrupt the overall parking arrangements.
While you state that the driver was visiting a resident, this does not exempt the vehicle from complying with the parking terms. Visitors are required to ensure that they are correctly authorised to park and that any applicable permit requirements are met. Responsibility rests with the driver to familiarise themselves with the terms and conditions before leaving the vehicle parked.

The signage on site clearly sets out the parking restrictions, and by remaining parked, the driver accepted those terms. The Parking Charge was therefore issued correctly following a breach of the conditions.

With regard to your comments on contractual liability and the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, we are satisfied
that the Parking Charge Notice was issued in accordance with the applicable legislation and Code of Practice.
In light of the above, we are unable to cancel the Parking Charge, which remains outstanding.

Attached, you will find photographic evidence showing the vehicle parked at the location mentioned above.
We have extended the opportunity for you to pay the reduced amount of, Ł60.00, until 06/01/2026, after this date, the full amount of Ł100.00 will be due."



Here are my questions at this stage:

The pictures included in this reply show the car at 12:48:09 and also at 12:58.13.  Does this change anything?  The later picture was not included on the notice to keeper, but was present on the website where the charge could be appealed or paid.

If the VP spaces are intended for the use of visitors of a specific building, and not the neighbouring one, what impact might this have?

Am I right in thinking this reply does not seem to have properly addressed the issue of prohibitive language re. the sign, and the failure to establish a contract?


I am seeing the resident in a few days, so I will catch up on who they have emailed and what responses they have had.  So far I have received no follow-up from the property manager.

P.S. b789 was completely correct about the 14 day period and UKCPS offering Ł60 again.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2025, 08:17:58 pm by LongTimeListenerFirstTimeAppealer »

On the photographs and timing, the later image does not cure the PoFA defect. What matters for Keeper liability is what is stated on the Notice to Keeper (NtK) itself, not what later appears on a website or in an appeal pack. The NtK must specify the period of parking on its face. A single timestamp, or even two timestamps that only appear later online, does not retrospectively fix a failure to comply with PoFA. The operator cannot rely on evidence that was not included in, or referenced by, a PoFA-compliant notice to transfer liability to the Keeper. At most, the later photos might be relevant to an allegation against a driver, but they do nothing to establish Keeper liability.

On the 10-minute interval itself, it also does not undermine the argument in any meaningful way. Even if UKCPS now suggest the vehicle was present for roughly ten minutes, that is still squarely within what would ordinarily be a consideration period in a permit-controlled residential setting, particularly where the signage is ambiguous and the bay marking “VP” positively suggests visitor use. More importantly, the legal problem for UKCPS is not the length of time but the fact that the NtK failed to specify a period of parking at all. That failure cannot be repaired after the event.

If the VP bays are intended only for visitors to a specific building rather than neighbouring buildings, that still does not help UKCPS unless that restriction is made clear on the ground. For such a limitation to be enforceable, the signage at or immediately adjacent to the VP bays would need to state something along the lines of “Visitor parking for Building X only” or similar. A hidden or undisclosed rule that visitors must somehow know which building “owns” which VP bay is not capable of forming part of any contract. If anything, this point strengthens the your position, because it highlights further ambiguity and poor site management. Contractual terms must be clear, prominent, and unambiguous before parking takes place; they cannot be inferred later or explained only after a charge has been issued.

You are also correct that the rejection letter does not meaningfully address the prohibitive nature of the signage or the absence of any contractual offer. The response is a generic template that simply asserts compliance and repeats “permit required” without engaging with the substance of the argument. UKCPS have not explained how a sign that states parking is permitted only for permit holders makes any contractual offer to a non-permit holder, nor how a visitor is supposed to obtain a permit when no visitor permit scheme is identified. They simply assert that “by remaining parked, the driver accepted the terms”, which is not a legal answer to a prohibitive sign argument. It is exactly the kind of hand-waving that IPC operators rely on, but it does not resolve the underlying flaw.

At this stage, nothing in that rejection materially weakens your position. The Keeper liability point remains intact. The signage and prohibitive wording point remains intact. The ambiguity around VP bays remains intact. The managing agent angle remains important, because they are the only party with real power to stop this without litigation.

The sensible next steps are to preserve all evidence, including the rejection letter and the additional photos, continue pressing the resident to escalate firmly with the managing agent or freeholder, and treat any further appeal stage (IAS) as procedural rather than substantive. The discounted amount is irrelevant. This is now about positioning the case so that, if UKCPS or their solicitors ever try court, the claim is either discontinued or collapses under scrutiny, as is invariably the case.

I'll hold off giving you a text you can use until after you have had a word with the resident and clarified the position, especially what their lease says about parking and visitor parking, if anything, so I can then refine the IAS appeal wording accordingly.

Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Thank you very much, again, for your thoughtful reply.  I waited to provide an update/ask more questions until anything changed.  My friend has now recieved a fairly unhelpful reply from their property manager saying:

"Good morning thank you for your email.  Please refer to the caretaker as I think you have parked in bays which are for another block.  We are unable to assist with any parking tickets.  Thanks"


The managers of the block adjacent to the VP spaces simply replied:

"The tenant will not have a visitor permit for this space, as the spaces belong to X not Y.  Unfortunately, I am not in the position to have the charge cancelled, if you wish to appeal then you will need to contact UKCPS directly."


You have clearly explained the other points from my previous message, although I would, for my own understanding, like to clarify one thing.  You say the physical notice to keeper is the only relevant document, and not the information on the UKCPS website.  The notice to keeper includes a link, "the photographic evidence may be viewed on www..." which contained pictures implying a period of 11 minutes.  Do these images have no baring at all simply due to their absence from the notice to keeper?  I acknowledge this may seem a pointless question due to your point regarding 10 minutes potentially being insufficient consideration!


With the IAS stage being seen as merely procedural, what is the value of engaging with this process?

Thanks for the help, and for following up during the vacuum between Christmas and New Years!