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Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
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With an issue date of 19th November, you have until 4pm on Monday 8th December to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Monday 22nd December to submit your defence.

You only need to submit an AoS if you need extra time to prepare your defence. If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Until very recently, we never advised using the MCOL to submit a defence. However, due to recent systemic failures within the CNBC, we feel that it is safer to now submit a short defence using MCOL as it is instantly submitted and entered into the "system". Whilst it will deny the use of some formatting or inclusion of transcripts etc. these can always be included with the Witness Statement (WS) later, if it ever progresses that far.

You will need to copy and paste it into the defence text box on MCOL. It has been checked to make sure that it will fit into the 122 lines limit.

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1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with PD 16, para 7.3(1);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts)

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant submits that courts have previously struck out similar claims of their own initiative for failure to adequately comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a), particularly where the Particulars of Claim failed to specify the contractual terms relied upon or explain the alleged breach with sufficient clarity. The Defendant refers specifically to the persuasive appellate cases:

- Civil Enforcement Ltd v Chan (2023), Luton County Court, HHJ Murch, ref: E7GM9W44

- CPMS Ltd v Akande (2024), Manchester County Court, HHJ Evans, ref: K0DP5J30

In both cases, the claim was struck out due to materially similar failures to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

5. The Defendant invites the Court to strike out this claim of its own initiative. The Defendant relies on the judicial reasoning set out in Chan and Akande, as well as other County Court cases involving identical failures to adequately comply with CPR 16.4. In those cases, the court further observed that, given the modest sum claimed, requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, the judge struck out the claim outright rather than permitting an amendment. The Defendant proposes that the following Order be made:

Draft Order:

Of the Court's own initiative and upon reading the particulars of claim and the defence.

AND the court being of the view that the particulars of claim do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a) because: (a) they do not set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is (or are) relied on; and (b) they do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts that the defendant was in breach of contract.

AND the claimant could have complied with CPR 16.4(1)(a) had it served separate detailed particulars of claim, as it could have done pursuant to PD 7C, para 5.2, but chose not to do so.

AND upon the Court determining, having regard to the overriding objective (CPR 1.1), that it would be disproportionate to direct further pleadings or to allot any further share of the Court’s resources to this claim (for example by ordering further particulars of claim and a further defence, with consequent case management).

ORDER:

1. The claim is struck out.
2. Permission to either party to apply to set aside, vary or stay this order by application on notice, which must be filed at this Court not more than 7 days after service of this order, failing which no such application may be made.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
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Thank you so much for b789 for the detailed draft.
Just wondering what happens next once this is submitted. Do I need to appear in the court , etc which I'm a bit apprehensive about.  Apologies as I have never dealt with such things before, so completely unsure.
Also should I send this draft straight away or should it be sent on a certain date ?
Thanks in advance

Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
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You submit that "draft" by copying and pasting it into the defence section of the MCOL webform.

You will receive an acknowledgement of your defence. At some point you will receive an N180 Directions Questionnaire and a mediation phone call. The odds of you ever having to appear in court to defend this are slim to none. Even if you did, you have nothing to fear. This is not a criminal matter. It is a civil dispute over an alleged debt because the driver allegedly breacghed a contract.

You have the utterly incompetent Moorside Legal representing the claimant which is an additional bonus for you. Just in case your imagination is running wild about "court", here is a short video that explains what would happen on the day, if this ever reached that stage (unlikely):

https://youtu.be/n93eoaxhzpU?feature=shared
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
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Thank you b789. very much appreciate your help. Will submit the draft and come back when there is more updates.
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Thank you b789, I have submitted the defence today.
Just wondering how to deal with mediation phone calls. Is there anything I need to be prepared for . TIA

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For the mediation call, the only requirement is for you "attend" the call. It is not part of the judicial process and no judge is involved.

This is what I advise you to say when you receive the call from the mediator:

Before I set out my position, please confirm from the claimant’s side:

• the full name of the person attending for them;
• their role/position at their legal representative’s firm; and
• whether they hold written authority to negotiate and settle today.

Please relay that back to me before we continue.

After the mediator calls back...

If identified and authority confirmed:

Thank you. I’m content to proceed on that basis. My settlement offer is £0, or I invite the claimant to discontinue with no order as to costs.

If no/unclear authority:

Please record that the claimant’s attendee has not confirmed settlement authority. My position remains that liability is denied and my offer is £0, subject to prompt approval by an authorised solicitor if they choose to discontinue.

If the mediator probes your defence:

In what capacity are you asking that question? Are you legally trained?  If not, please refrain from offering opinions. I will be reporting any attempt to do so as inappropriate.”

All you need to know is the name and the position of the person acting for the claimant and report that back to us. It will be over within minutes. Complete waste of time otherwise.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
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Ok sure. will do. Thank you

Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
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Recieved this reply via email regarding my claim. I would be gratefull on any advice regarding the next steps to take as the email does not give any timeline or details next steps.
TIA

Dear 
Re: 
 
Our Client: UKCPS ltd
 
 
Our Ref: xxxx
 
 
Claim Number: xxxx
We write in relation to the above matter.
 
Your Defence
 
We have reviewed your Defence and respond as follows: -
 
The Claimant does not accept the Defendant’s assertion that the claim discloses no cause of action. The claim is founded in contract, alternatively in statutory keeper liability pursuant to Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.
The Defence raises technical objections concerning the level of detail in the Particulars of Claim. The Claimant notes that no substantive denial of the parking event, the existence of signage, or the incurrence of the parking charge is advanced. The Defendant has therefore suffered no prejudice and clearly understands the nature of the claim.
In any event, and without admission that the Particulars of Claim are deficient, the Claimant confirms that it will rely upon the following matters, which can be fully particularised if required:
    • A valid contract was formed by clear and prominent signage at the relevant site on the material date.
    • The signage set out the applicable terms and conditions, including the parking charge payable upon breach.
    • The vehicle was parked at xxxxxxxxxxxx in breach of those terms, namely parked out of marked bay.
    • The Defendant is liable as the driver of the vehicle, or alternatively as the registered keeper under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.
    • The sum claimed comprises the parking charge and statutory interest pursuant to section 69 of the County Courts Act 1984.
The Defendant’s reliance on Civil Enforcement Ltd v Chan and CPMS Ltd v Akande is noted. Those decisions are non-binding, fact-specific County Court authorities and do not establish a general principle that amendment should be refused where a claim is capable of being properly particularised.
The Claimant remains confident that the claim has merit and will be determined in its favour. However, the Claimant remains willing to deal with any genuine procedural concerns in a proportionate manner in accordance with the overriding objective.

In view of the above, our Client is satisfied that you are liable for the full amount of the Claim, and we urge you to make payment as soon as possible.
Settlement Proposal
Our Client remains open to settling the matter without the need for the Claim to progress further, and as such proposes the following settlement options:
£146.30 via one lump sum payment payable within the next 7 days; or
£10.00 via 14 monthly payments with the first payment due within the next 7 days.
How to pay
There is still time to make payment to avoid the need for a Court hearing. You can do so in any of the following ways: -
    • You can call us on 0330 828 5850 to make the relevant payment arrangements. You will need you customer reference number - xxxx; or
    • You can make payment via bank transfer to the following account -
Account holder name: Moorside Legal Services Limited
Bank name: xxx
Sort code: xxxx
Account number: xxxx
If you choose to make payment, via bank transfer you must use the following reference as your payment reference xxxx  to ensure we can quickly allocate the payment to your matter. If you do not, we may not be able to allocate the payment to your matter
If you choose to make regular card payments to us these will be made under a Continuous Payment Authority ('CPA'). This authorises us to take the agreed amount on a regular basis. CPAs can be set up weekly, fortnightly, or monthly. If we are unable to take your payment, we will attempt to take the payment later that day. If that fails, we will reattempt the next working day.
 
If you wish to provide an alternative payment proposal, please contact us within 7 days of receipt of this email.
If the Claim is not settled
 
We hope this matter can be settled without further Court action, however if we are not able to reach a settlement, please be aware that our Client intends to proceed with the Claim.
 
If the Claim proceeds, the Court will ask both Parties to file and serve a Directions Questionnaire, therefore we attach a copy of our Client’s completed Directions Questionnaire and confirm the same has been filed with the Court.
Email Service
As you provided this email address when you defended the Claim, we intend to use it to serve documents on you throughout these proceedings and will do so in PDF format. We will assume you agree to this course of action unless you tell us otherwise within 7 days. In accordance with Practice Direction 6A, if there are any limitations to your agreement to accept service by such means, please let us know within 7 days.
Subject to your agreement, we will also agree to accept email service to litigationteam@moorsidelegal.co.uk.
You may wish to seek independent legal advice.
Yours sincerely

Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
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They have sent this because your defence hit a nerve. Your defence forces them to confront that their pleaded Particulars were sparse, generic, and vulnerable to strike-out reasoning. They are trying to regain control of the case without doing the one thing that actually matters in litigation: serving proper Particulars (or properly seeking permission to amend them).

They are attempting three things at once.

First, they are trying to persuade you (and later, potentially, the court) that your CPR 16.4 point is “just technical” and that you “clearly understand the claim anyway”. That is a standard tactic. It is not a legal answer to a deficient pleading. The rules require them to plead a coherent cause of action with proper particulars. A letter is not a statement of case.

Second, they are trying to plug the holes by giving you a bullet-point list of what they say they will rely on. This is not an amended Particulars of Claim, not verified by a statement of truth, and not necessarily something the court has allowed them to substitute for proper pleadings. In other words, they are trying to get the benefit of proper particulars without taking the procedural steps and risks that come with serving them.

Third, they are applying pressure with a settlement pitch and a short deadline. The timing is deliberate. They want you distracted by “pay us within 7 days” and to shift your focus away from court deadlines and case management. They also push continuous payment authority (CPA), which is convenient for them and risky for you.

The important giveaway is this: they are still trying to run “driver or keeper” in the alternative, and they still do not identify, in any proper pleaded way, the contractual clause relied upon, the precise facts said to constitute the breach, or the basis for keeper liability. They are effectively saying “trust us, we’ll set it out later if required”. Courts do not run on “we’ll explain later”.

Why they sent it now is simple. They know your defence is capable of persuading a judge that this is exactly the kind of bulk, low-detail claim that should never have been issued in that form. They are trying to look reasonable, make you look unreasonable, and steer you into paying before the court forces them to do proper work.

What you should do in response is keep control. Do not phone. Do not argue emotionally. Do not miss any court deadline. You reply to (1) knock down the idea that a solicitor’s email cures defective pleadings, (2) record that you do not consent to amendments by stealth, and (3) make clear you will oppose any attempt to retrofit a coherent case unless the court orders it and appropriate directions are made.

For now, email the following response to them at litigation@moorsidelegal.co.uk and CC yourself:

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Subject: Claim number [xxxx] – your email dated [date]

Dear Sirs,

I acknowledge receipt of your email.

It is remarkable that Moorside Legal, having itself drafted and issued the Particulars of Claim, now seeks to suggest that the deficiencies identified in my Defence are mere “technicalities”. They are not. They are the direct result of your firm’s failure, as SRA‑regulated solicitors, to plead a coherent cause of action in compliance with CPR 16.4 and PD 16 at the point you chose to issue proceedings.

You were put on express notice in the Defence, with reference to the persuasive appeal decisions in Civil Enforcement Ltd v Chan and CPMS v Akande, that claims issued in materially similar form have been struck out for failure to comply with CPR 16.4. Instead of taking the proper procedural step of applying to amend and serve compliant particulars (and accepting the risks and consequences that flow from having issued a defective claim), you are attempting to “particularise” the claim by correspondence.

That is not how civil litigation works. A solicitor’s letter is not a statement of case. It is not verified by a statement of truth. It does not amend pleadings. It cannot cure defective Particulars of Claim, and it cannot retrospectively manufacture a properly pleaded cause of action after a Defence has exposed the inadequacy of the claim as issued.

Your suggestion that there is “no prejudice” because I “clearly understand the nature of the claim” is untenable. CPR 16.4(1)(a) requires the facts relied on to be pleaded, and CPR 16.4(1)(c) requires the remedy sought to be stated. I am entitled to know the case I have to meet from your client’s pleaded statement of case, not from informal narrative offered after the event. If your client wishes to pursue this claim properly, you must follow the rules: seek the Court’s permission where required, file and serve properly pleaded amended particulars, and accept any directions the Court considers appropriate. Any attempt to proceed while treating correspondence as a substitute for compliant pleadings will be opposed.

Your email also continues to advance “driver or keeper” liability in the alternative without pleading a coherent factual and legal basis for either route. That is precisely the type of vague, hedged pleading criticised in cases of this kind and it reinforces the point that this claim was issued without proper legal analysis.

For the avoidance of doubt, I will retain this correspondence. If your client persists with this claim to allocation and beyond, I will place this email before the Court as part of my evidence bundle to demonstrate that (1) your firm was on notice of the pleaded defects and the relevant persuasive authorities, and (2) your firm nonetheless attempted to bypass the CPR pleading requirements by seeking to retrofit a case via correspondence. I will invite the Court to consider whether such conduct is unreasonable and whether case management sanctions are appropriate.

Further, if the claim is discontinued at a late stage (including after allocation, after directions, or close to any final hearing), I will rely on the history of this matter, including this correspondence, when seeking my costs under CPR 27.14(2)(g) on the basis of unreasonable conduct.

Your settlement proposal is declined. I am content for this matter to be determined by the Court.

Email service: I will accept service of documents by email only if they are served as complete, legible PDF attachments. Please confirm you will serve documents in that manner. I also note your offer to accept service at litigationteam@moorsidelegal.co.uk in PDF format.

Nothing in this email is any admission as to the alleged event, the existence of any contract, the adequacy of signage, or liability as driver or keeper. All rights are reserved.

Yours faithfully,

[Name] 
[Address] 
[Email] 
[Claim number]

When the time comes to submit your N180 Directions Questionnaire (DQ), you will submit it with a covering letter which I will provide once your are ready to submit the N180.

Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
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Thank you so much . Will get this emailed. Should this be sent in a pdf format as attachment or something ? or just a normal email would suffice.
Also just wanted to check that there is nothing else pending from my end at this stage, as there has been no further contact from court . I presume either the court .
Thank you so much for your detailed reply .

Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
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It doesn't matter whether sent s a PDF attachment or just as an email. As long as you have a copy of what you sent, that is what is important. You will be able to evidence that they were warned about their behaviour.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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So I send this email and wait to hear from either moor legal or court  regarding further actions?

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Just send it and then you wait and see what they respond with. You are putting the 'ball' back in their court.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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