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I am hoping you kind folk can help with this.  I am the registered keeper and owner of the vehicle and recieved the attached claim form.  This relates to an alleged incident on 22/1/2022 of stopping on private land.  I wasnt the driver.  over the years I have recieved various demands from different companies.  I notice that people talk about a letter before claim - i didnt recieve one. They went from a demand last year to this.  They have video evidence and its not me on the video. Can any one help draft a reply for a defence please.





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Re: Claim Form from Moorside Legal
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Can you post the original PCN?

If you don’t have it, can you get it, eg a Subject Access Request to the parking company, UKCPS?

Video is pretty meaningless, by the way, how do they know who it is?

In order to construct a defence, we need to know more than just the Particulars of Claim, which are the usual rubbish from Moorside.

If you file an Acknowledgement of Service by 3 June you have until 17 June to file your defence.
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Video is pretty meaningless, by the way, how do they know who it is?
Given the matter has now got to court, and the OP is the defendant, video could be very much meaningful if it would be evident to a judge that the person standing in front of him in the court room is not the person seen driving in the claimant's evidence.

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Yes, that’s a good point.
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hi thankls for your replies.  yes that was going to be my defence.  how can I enter into a contract with the company when I was clearly (from the video) not the driver or passenger.

I was also going to point out that this kind of thing is perverse - how can anyone enter into a no stopping contract when the person has to stop to read the sign that enters them into the contract that they can now no longer refuse because they have already stopped.

I will ask them for the pcn - do i need to ask them for anything else or should I just ask for all of it under SAR?


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Ask for all personal data they hold for you.
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yes that was going to be my defence.  how can I enter into a contract with the company when I was clearly (from the video) not the driver or passenger.
Remember that's only one part of the argument. Showing you were not the driver means they can't hold you liable as the driver. However you then also need to explain why they cannot rely on Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 to hold you liable as the keeper of the vehicle.

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Hi

Ive got my sar back - i did make a defence when i received this as the keeper but didnt follow it up.  the last picture shows that the notice of claim was sent (17/5) after the claim (15/5)- not sure if this makes a material difference:

my defence intends to be - i was not the driver which can be seen in the stills and video, the notice does not comply with protections of freedoms 2012 and so there is not route to keeper.  (i'm not sure if it does or not).  any advice greatly appreciated.  I have acknowledged service.










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My initial observations are;

1) The NtK does not specify a 'period of parking' - Court's have held that a single timestamp is not a period of parking - therefore the NtK is not PoFA compliant. There is also other mandatory wording which is missing from the NtK.

2) If a driver pulls into a car park and immediately stops then there isn't much the parking operator can do about it since there is no contract between the driver and the parking operator at that point in time so there can be no breach of contract.

3) Under consumer regulations the consumer must be given adequate time to read and understand terms and conditions before being bound by them - this means that there can never be an 'instant contract' - the Claimant will be totally reliant on the principle of 'instant contract' in order to pursue you.


Can I ask what the video shows? And does it show how long you were stopped?

I have some other thoughts on the yellow box but I need to understand what the video shows before commenting on that.
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Hi thanks for your reply.  i'm not the driver so I wasnt stopped anywhere  :)

the video shows that the driver stopped the vehicle, the driver and passenger got out.  took something from the boot and the driver then went on their way.  this area is allegedly no stopping, its private land - so its not a car park as far as I am aware - but I wasnt there so i dont know for sure. but i agree with your points in that it makes sense to me - if the driver has to stop to and get out to read the sign that says you are not allowed to stop and if you do we are gonna send you a bill.  then they are relying on instant contract that you agreed to the charge before you read the conditions - well how is that fair.


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hi

would this be a robust enough defence?

I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. I was not the driver at the material time. The claimant's own video evidence does not identify me as either the driver or a passenger. I am under no legal obligation to name the driver and I decline to do so.
The Notice to Keeper ("NTK") does not comply with the mandatory requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 ("PoFA"). In particular, it fails to specify the required "period of parking". A single timestamp, or evidence showing only a moment in time, is not capable of constituting a period of parking. Furthermore, the NTK omits other mandatory wording prescribed by PoFA regarding keeper liability. As a result, the claimant cannot rely upon Schedule 4 to transfer liability from the unknown driver to the registered keeper. Accordingly, I cannot be held liable for any alleged contractual breach by the driver.
In addition, basic principles of contract and consumer law require that a consumer be given a reasonable opportunity to read and understand contractual terms before any contract can be formed. The claimant's case appears to rely upon an alleged instantaneous contract arising the moment a vehicle stops. Such a proposition is inherently contradictory: if a driver stopped in order to read the terms displayed on the signage, that very act of stopping would itself constitute the alleged breach. This creates an impossible situation whereby compliance with the terms is prevented by the claimant's own contractual framework. Such an arrangement is unfair, predatory, and incapable of creating a binding contract.

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I would recommend using the large bank of previous cases in this forum and looking at some other defences. For starters, use numbered paragraphs - if you reach a hearing, it's much easier for all parties if you can refer people to specific paragraphs, rather than "If you look at the part of my defence where I said ____".

Your defence needs to respond to each claim in the particulars of claim. The easiest way to do this (in my opinion) is to do this in the same order as the particulars. As an example of how you might do this with some of the claims "2. It is denied that the defendant was the driver. The defendant was not driving nor present in the vehicle at the time of the alleged parking event. 3. It is admitted that the Defendant is the registered keeper of the vehicle, but liability is denied. It is denied that the Claimant is able to recover charges from the registered keeper using the provisions of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012..."


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Hi thanks for the advice.  could I use this?  if so what should i put in the areas of bold as it wasnt traditional "parking " it was no stopping or does that not matter?

1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not adequately comply with CPR 16.4.

3. For the avoidance of doubt, even if the phrase “Vehicle not permitted & grace period exceeded” were taken to be a minimal compliance with CPR 16.4(1)(a), the PoC remain defective. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The claim is put on a contractual footing but no written terms are pleaded or exhibited, contrary to CPR PD 16.7.3(1);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The pleaded bases are internally inconsistent (“vehicle not permitted” vs “grace period exceeded”): either parking was prohibited (no contractual offer) or it was permitted subject to terms; it cannot be both.;

(d) No period of parking is pleaded, nor facts explaining how any breach is said to have occurred (a timestamp alone is insufficient);

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant submits that courts have previously struck out similar claims of their own initiative for failure to adequately comply with CPR 16.4, particularly where the Particulars of Claim failed to specify the contractual terms relied upon or explain the alleged breach with sufficient clarity.

5. In comparable cases involving modest sums, judges have found that requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, strike-out was deemed appropriate. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim due to the Claimant’s failure to adequately comply with CPR 16.4, rather than permitting an amendment. The Defendant proposes that the following Order be made:

Draft Order:

Of the Court's own initiative and upon reading the particulars of claim and the defence.

AND the court being of the view that the particulars of claim do not adequately comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a) because: (a) they do not set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract which is (or are) relied on; and (b) they do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts that the defendant was in breach of contract.

AND the claimant could have complied with CPR 16.4(1)(a) had it served separate detailed particulars of claim, as it could have done pursuant to CPR PD 7C.5.2(2), but chose not to do so.

AND upon the claim being for a very modest sum such that the court considers it disproportionate and not in accordance with the overriding objective to allot to this case any further share of the court's resources by ordering further particulars of claim and a further defence, each followed by further referrals to the judge for case management.

ORDER:

1. The claim is struck out.

2. Permission to either party to apply to set aside, vary or stay this order by application on notice, which must be filed at this Court not more than 5 days after service of this order, failing which no such application may be made.

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This isn't suitable. When I said to look at other defences, I meant in order to get a sense of how they are structured in paragraphs and numbered sections etc., not to copy and paste the defence to an entirely different claim.


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Thanks for setting me straight. i've nicked things from the other defence that look to be applicable - but just going by my common sense - so would appreciate any feedback if they are not appropriate.

1.   The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2.   There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not adequately comply with CPR 16.4.
3.   It is denied that a parking charge has occurred the particulars fail to specify the required "period of parking". A single timestamp, or evidence showing only a moment in time and is not capable of constituting a period of parking.
4.   It is denied that a contract was created, basic principles of contract and consumer law require that a consumer be given a reasonable opportunity to read and understand contractual terms before any contract can be formed.
5.   The claimant's case appears to rely upon an alleged instantaneous contract arising the moment a vehicle stops. Such a proposition is inherently contradictory: if a driver stopped in order to read the terms displayed on the signage, that very act of stopping would itself constitute the alleged breach.
6.   This creates an impossible situation whereby compliance with the terms is prevented by the claimant's own contractual framework. Such an arrangement is unfair, predatory, and incapable of creating a binding contract.
7.   The POC is defective:
a.   The claim is put on a contractual footing but no written terms are pleaded or exhibited, contrary to CPR PD 16.7.3(1);
b.   The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;
c.   No period of parking is pleaded, nor facts explaining how any breach is said to have occurred (a timestamp alone is insufficient);
d.   The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

8.   I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. I was not the driver at the material time. The claimant's own video evidence does not identify me as either the driver or a passenger. I am under no legal obligation to name the driver and I decline to do so.

9.   The Notice to Keeper ("NTK") does not comply with the mandatory requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 ("PoFA"). And as such it is denied that the claimant is able to recover charges from the registered keeper under PoFA.