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Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed by IAS.
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That is good evidence of their mendacious behaviour. There does not appear to have ever been an entrance sign at this location. If there is one now, take a photo of it.

They will be required to provide evidence of an entrance sign at the location prior to the date of the alleged contravention. As can be seen in GSV, there was no sign in place in March 2023 and no sign ij place on the date you took your photos.

This one will be easy to challenge in a claim and it will be interesting to see whether BW Legal are prepared to let their client take this all the way to a hearing, where they will be in danger of a spanking and a cost order for unreasonable behaviour.

I can't believe how any reasonable person from the IAS dismissed the appeal in the first place!

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Why would you think that the IAS are in any way reputable or independent?

Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed by IAS.
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Trying to upload images via insert image link but it's not working?
« Last Edit: March 09, 2026, 07:16:48 pm by owillow99 »

Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed by IAS.
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Hi there,

I've received the letter of claim:







* going to re-upload other documents
« Last Edit: March 10, 2026, 11:32:56 am by owillow99 »

Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed by IAS.
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For me, every single one of these links is the same thing.

However, although I can’t view them, no, you do not complete any forms. Whatever they are requesting from you is none of their business.

You simply send a reply to the Letter of Claim.

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Fixing links for OP:

Letter of Claim:
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And the final demand letter a few weeks earlier:
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There were these documents that accompanied the letter of claim:
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And reply forms:
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Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed by IAS.
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Will re-upload! seems like the link function / image upload function is being a little glitchy


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Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed by IAS.
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Is there, or can you get, a photo of the sign on the wall?

They seem to be saying parking was prohibited, but also that you agreed to pay a parking charge, which is contradictory.

They can't say you're liable in contract if there was no contract because parking is prohibited.

Please can you also post a copy of the adjucator's decision?
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Posting multiple images doesn't seem to work for me so will post them individually:

Evidence pack I used of operator's photos of car and warning signs on wall -

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Part 2:

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Warning sign Operator uploaded to IAS appeal:

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And screenshot of adjudicator's decision:

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This is the image the operator took which shows car park entrance at back -

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*notice that there isn't any visible signs on the car park entrance, something the Operator claimed during their Prima Facie Case in the appeal that someone had taken them down:

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And images I took of car park after receiving the ticket:

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If you notice there isn't any difference - nothing was removed or changed on car park entrance.


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I have found
from r/bristol
thread (archived link) on Reddit, pertaining to 'Forbidding Signs'.

Guess whose signage it is?


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In court, I claimed that as the sign was an absolute prohibition on parking no contract for parking could be entered into, in order to enter into a contract the sign needs to OFFER parking for £100, it can't say "no parking, but if you park here you pay £100 for parking". It's called a "forbidding contract" and it's a legal nonsense ... the judge agreed with me and [threw] the case out,

And a starter for ten in terms of a relevant judgment from a different case, involving a different but similar sign.
https://www.parkingcowboys.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/UKPC-v-MASTERSON-Judgment.pdf

So I would say the argument here is twofold; firstly, that the signage was not adequate but secondly, and most importantly, the signs are not an offer, and therefore there was no acceptance, and therefore there was no contract even if the place had been littered with them.