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Hi,

I'm looking for some advice please.

I parked in a car park called St John's car park East, but accidentally purchased a ticket for St John's car park West. Both of these car parks are on opposite sides of the road, separated by a road called St John's.
I used the Ringo app and this was the only car park that was available in the location to pay for.

I ignored the letters from Britannia parking group as I believed I had purchased a ticket, which I still have a receipt of. Now, I have received a letter for a small claims court.

Is there any way of challenging this as the Ringo app still only shows one car park called St John's East, St John's West is not an option to pay for on the Ringo app.

Many thanks.

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Re: PCN claim court notice
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We'll need to see the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) you received, probably as a postal Notice to Keeper (NtK). Make sure you leave all dates and times visible:

READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide
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Hi,

Thankyou for your reply.

I dont have the letters anymore, only a letter for court which details the particulars of the claim ie date, vehicle registration, Should I post this for you to see?



Many thanks.

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You could send a SAR to Britannia asking for all the data they hold on you.

Send to their Data Control Officer, include a copy of a utility bill to prove address but, blank out personal details such as bill amounts.

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Do you have another post on this site about this car park?

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Thanks, Ill try that and see can i get a copy of the PCN.

Also, I replied on another persons post as we had the same issue with the same car park but I began my own post (this one) for advice.

Thanks again for your help.

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I dont have the letters anymore, only a letter for court which details the particulars of the claim ie date, vehicle registration, Should I post this for you to see?

Show us the Claim Form with the Particulars of Claim (PoC). Only redact your personal details, the claim number and the MCOL password. Leave ALL dates and times showing.

Do not send an SAR. The PoC are required to give enough detail so that the defendant can understand the claim being made and why. If they do not provide enough detail, then they are deficient and in breach of CPR 16.4. That is enough to request a strike out.

Once we can confirm the PoC are deficient (they definitely will be so), then we will give you the necessary information on how to defend the claim.

If it is a Britannia claim, then they will have most likely used DCB Legal to act on their behalf and they never fully comply with the CPRs. You can also guarantee that if the claim is defended, they will discontinue before any trial fee has to be paid.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Hi,

Thanks for your reply and everyone who has been so helpful so far.

PoC attached.

https://imgur.com/a/o3jZuXw




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Not sure which bit about this was not clear:

Show us the Claim Form with the Particulars of Claim (PoC). Only redact your personal details, the claim number and the MCOL password. Leave ALL dates and times showing.

You have redacted the issue date which is required n order to give you the necessary deadlines.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2025, 03:08:20 pm by b789 »
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Hi,

Apologies, I misunderstood.

Attached again.

Thanks in advance.

https://imgur.com/a/osH6ztl
« Last Edit: May 26, 2025, 03:31:28 pm by dollyted »

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With an issue date of 12th May, you have until 4pm on Monday 2nd June to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Monday 16th June to submit your defence.

If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Otherwise, here is the defence and link to the draft order that goes with it. You only need to edit your name and the claim number. You sign the defence by typing your full name for the signature and date it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order.

When you're ready you combine both documents as a single PDF attachment and send as an attachment in an email to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The claim number must be in the email subject field and in the body of the email just put: "Please find attached the defence and draft order in the matter of Britannia Parking Group Ltd v [your full name] Claim no.: [claim number]."

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

Britannia Parking Group Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts)

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant attaches to this defence a copy of a draft order approved by a district judge at another court. The court struck out the claim of its own initiative after determining that the Particulars of Claim failed to comply with CPR 16.4. The judge noted that the claimant had failed to:

(i) Set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions relied upon;

(ii) Adequately explain the reasons why the defendant was allegedly in breach of contract;

(iii) Provide separate, detailed Particulars of Claim as permitted under CPR PD 7C.5.2(2).

(iv) The court further observed that, given the modest sum claimed, requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, the judge struck out the claim outright rather than permitting an amendment.

5. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim for the Claimant’s failure to comply with CPR 16.4.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Thank you so much for all of your help.
There are some very kind people on here.

(Just to note, in between messages yesterday and following the first advice I received, I contacted the data officer to make a SAR but did not get a reply. I did this before the second piece of advice came through, which was to avoid contacting the data officer. Hopefully this doesn't interfere.)

I'll keep you posted!! Thanks again.

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Hi,

I have received this reply via email, along with a Directions questionnaire attached.
Is there any more advice as to what you think I should do next please?

Many thanks.

"Having reviewed the content of your defence, we write to inform you that our client intends to proceed with the claim.
In due course, the Court will direct both parties to each file a directions questionnaire. In preparation for that, please find attached a copy of the Claimant's, which we confirm has been filed with the Court.
Without Prejudice to the above, in order to assist the Court in achieving its overriding objective, our client may be prepared to settle this case - in the event you wish to discuss settlement, please call us on 0203 434 0433 within 7 days and make immediate reference to this correspondence."

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Normal and expected.
DCB Legal will initiate the court process and pursue it until the point at which they need to pay the court fee, at which point they will discontinue.
You just need to stay on top of the process until then.
This will require you to file your own N180 in due course and attend a telephone mediation session at which you will offer £0.
Lots and lots of examples if you search for them here.

And do not call them as suggested!

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Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question
.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain