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I have received a letter from dcb legal on behalf of ParkingEye Ltd requesting payment of £170. Initially I received 3 letters from ParkingEye and a further 4 letters from Ddcbl Direct Collection Ballifs Ltd. All of which I have ignored on the grounds that I do not remember seeing a parking notice and they have not provided me with evidence that that notice was there the day I entered the car park, Nats Lane Wimsford.
My car was only there for 16 minutes.
Can I say I never left the car so was not parked and so not in breach of the terms of the contract?
Can I say that they need to prove that the parking notice was there as I entered?
Do I ignore the solicitors letter?
Do I reply to the solicitors and not ParkingEye?

Lots of questions I know, Sorry. Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks

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This sounds like it's a Private Parking issue and not concerning a Council Penalty Charge Notice. I'll ask the moderator to move it to the Private Parking Forum.

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Hi,
Thank you for doing this. I am new to this.
Tbanks

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Please post the latest letter. Is it a Letter of Claim, or just more sabre rattling?

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Hi
Thank you for your reply. It is a letter of claim. I have attached it.
Thanks

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If ParkingEye are using DCB Legal to issue a Letter of Claim (LoC) you know that they hold zero hope of a successful claim, otherwise they would use their own in-house legal team to issue it.

You can respond to that LoC be emailing the following to info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC yourself:

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Dear Sirs,

Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of evidence your client places reliance upon and thus is in complete contravention of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.

Because your letter lacks specificity and breaches the requirements of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (paragraphs 3.1(a)-(d), 5.1 and 5.2) as well as the Practice Direction - Pre-Action Conduct (paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c)), you must treat this letter as a formal request for all of the documents/information that the protocol now requires your client to provide. Your client must not issue proceedings without complying with that protocol.

As solicitors you must surely be familiar with the requirements of both the Practice Direction and the Pre-Action Protocol for debt claims and your client, as a serial litigator of debt claims, should likewise be aware of them. As you (and your client) must know, the Practice Direction and Protocol bind all potential litigants, whatever the size or type of the claim. Its express purpose is to assist parties in understanding the claim and their respective positions in relation to it, to enable parties to take stock of their positions and to negotiate a settlement, or at least narrow the issues, without incurring the costs of court proceedings or using up valuable court time. It is embarrassing that a firm of Solicitors are sending a consumer a vague and un-evidenced 'Letter of Claim' in complete ignorance of the pre-existing Practice Direction and the Pre-Action Protocol.

I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim that complies with the requirements of para 3.1 (a) of the Pre-Action Protocol, I shall then seek advice and submit a formal response within 30 days, as required by the Protocol. Thus, I require your client to comply with its obligations by sending me the following information/documents:

1. An explanation of the cause of action
2. whether they are pursuing me as driver or keeper
3. whether they are relying on the provisions of Schedule 4 of POFA 2012
4. what the details of the claim are; for how long it is claimed the vehicle was parked, how the monies being claimed arose and have been calculated
5. Is the claim for a contractual breach? If so, what is the date of the agreement? The names of the parties to it and provide to me a copy of that contract.
6. If the claim is for a contractual breach, photographs showing the vehicle was parked in contravention of said contract.
7. Is the claim for trespass? If so, provide details.
8. Provide me a copy of the contract with the landowner under which they assert authority to bring the claim, as required by the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP).
9. a plan showing where any signs were displayed
10. Photographs of the signs displayed (size of sign, size of font, height at which displayed) at the time of any alleged contravention.
11. Provide details of the original charge, and detail any interest and administrative or other charges added
12. Am I to understand that the additional £70 represents what is dressed up as a 'Debt Recovery' fee, and if so, is this nett or inclusive of VAT? If the latter, would you kindly explain why I am being asked to pay the operator’s VAT?
13. With regard to the principal alleged PCN sum: Is this damages, or will it be pleaded as consideration for parking?

I am clearly entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. I also need it in order to comply with my own obligations under paragraph 6(b).

If your client does not provide me with this information then I put you on notice that I will be relying on the cases of Webb Resolutions Ltd v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch), Daejan Investments Limited v The Park West Club Limited (Part 20) Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, Charles Church Developments Ltd v Stent Foundations Limited & Peter Dann Limited [2007] EWHC 855 in asking the court to impose sanctions on your client and to order a stay of the proceedings, pursuant to paragraphs 13, 15(b) and (c) and 16 of the Practice Direction, as referred to in paragraph 7.2 of the Protocol.

Until your client has complied with its obligations and provided this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim and to consider my position in relation to it, and it is entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court time) for your client to issue proceedings. Should your client do so, then I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order that this information is provided.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]

You were correct to ignore the letters from DCBL. The advice is to always ignore anything from any debt collector because they are powerless to actually do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.

If you follow the advice, you won't be paying penny to ParkingEye. The eventual claim will eventually either be struck out or discontinued.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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B789,
Thank you very much for your advice and information. I will send a reply and await their responce.

Very much appreciated.

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Hi,
I sent an e-mail as suggested on 8th June and got a reply last week. Can anyone help with what my counter reply to it should be please. The e-mall I got is as belwo:

Dear Sirs,

We thank you for your recent email.

We take the confidentiality of our matters very seriously and as a result, we ask you to answer the following security questions in full before we can correspond with you via email.

Please could you confirm:

Your full name
First line of your address
Postcode
By responding to this email, you consent for us to use this email address for communication in relation to your case, this may contain information that is personal to you. When communicating by email, please remember that it may be ‘unsecure’. If at any time, you no longer wish for your personal information to be communicated by email, or you no longer have access to this mailbox, please notify us immediately.

Should you prefer to discuss this matter on the telephone, please do not hesitate to contact us on 0203 434 0437.

Kind Regards,

I have not replied to this yet. Any help would br greatly appreciated.

Thanks

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Just give them your email address so you can receive comms that way other than snail mail. Just don't give them your phone number unless you want time wasting calls from them.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Hi,
Their response was by e-mail. I don't know if I should ignore it or not.
Thanks

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There's no reason not to give them that info.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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And also amend your first post so that it's 'the driver' who entered the car park, sat intheir car etc. Do not identify the driver. 

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Hi,
If I give them the information they are requesting which is name, line address and postcode would that imply that I am the driver?

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Hi,
If I give them the information they are requesting which is name, line address and postcode would that imply that I am the driver?
No.
The words you used in your initial post do, though.
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Hi,
Thanks. I did not send them my original post so all good.
Cheers.