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UKPC Parking PCN - Pub car park EV Charging
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During a trip, the driver of the vehicle required EV charging and so visited a public ROAM charger. The charger itself was accessed by driving through a pub car park, down a ramp and then located at the back. The charger had issues starting but then successfully completed and the driver immediately left.

I am the registered keeper of the vehicle and received this letter in the post on Tuesday 24th February.
https://ibb.co/NnKPYkDV
https://ibb.co/2YCwNCMD

I did contact ROAM charging asking if they are able to help with this parking charge and received this message. I have not yet contacted the pub in question.

"I'm sorry to hear about the situation. However, I’d like to clarify that we have not implemented any parking enforcement at this location, and we do not have any affiliation with UKPC
The signage currently displayed in the car park is managed and installed by the hotel and/or the parking enforcement company, and it includes guidance for all users.
As we do not control or manage the on-site parking and are not involved in any enforcement operations, we're unfortunately unable to assist further with this matter.
I completely understand how frustrating it is to receive a ticket, and I'm sorry this has happened. We recommend reaching out to the hotel directly, as they may be able to support you in resolving the issue.
What we can do is report your concerns about the signage to the hotel directly. To see if this is something that can be improved.
Again, I am so sorry for any inconvenience caused, and please do let me know if you have any other questions."

The charger in question is here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/xxZ8X5iJT7rqSL3a8. It is not visible on street-view due to the age however it is located roughly where the skip is in the lower

There are no signs near the charger that say parking must be paid nor that additional fee is required for parking while charging the car. However as I am located very far from the charger I am not able to get photographs of this until 10th March.

Thanks for the help in advance

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Re: UKPC Parking PCN - Pub car park EV Charging
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This is an increasingly common problem and something EV drivers need to be of. Unless explicitly stated otherwise EV drivers have to assume that rules for the car park apply to them as well (this assumes the normal signage is appropriate).

Land owners are contracting 3rd parties to install chargers, the parking operator often doesn't even know there's a charger there. I've driven in and straight out of car parks with chargers unless I'm sure parking is free

ROAM are right, your best bet is to get the hotel to cancel it. Also ask the hotel if they have leased the land the ROAM chargers are on to ROAM, this is now common, in which case UKPC won't have authority to enforce on those bays unless there is an additional agreement in place which from ROAMs response there is not. UKPC may not even know this is the case as landowners don't think to connect the dots.

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Possible legal technicality;

If the landowner is directly allowing the installation of charging points then the landowner is also allowing client's to enter the site in order to use the apparatus - in order to use the apparatus the client is required to form a contract with ROAM for each charge - this could easily constitute a primacy of contract issue.

Why would a driver need to form a contract with a parking company when they already had a contract to use the apparatus??

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Why would a driver need to form a contract with a parking company when they already had a contract to use the apparatus??

Following that logic a driver using a drive through on a site would be entering a contract for food (as opposed to electricity) or any other onsite service, being a patron of a pub would automatically exempt them from the contract with the PPC. We know in reality that's not the case.

The landowner could also be intending to restrict the use of the charge points to specific users, for specific durations or also expect users to pay for parking on top of charging which they convey via the parking enforcement signage. I don't see how a vague undocumented offer to use the charger would trump the defined offer within the parking signage. So unless there is specific signage at the location of the chargers detailing the terms of use for the chargers in respect of being in the car park the general terms would apply. Unless the charge point operator is leasing the land and bays the chargers are installed on in which case the PPC has mandate to enforce those bays without written consent from the leaseholder.

For the OP, IPC / IAS so no amount of legal gymnastics has much chance of success appeal. Plan A, talk to the hotel.

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I don't know if this has any relevance but the hotel website advertises the presence of charging points as part of their "stay with us we're great" blurb:

"Electric car charging points are available at the hotel for guests"

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Without sight of the relevant signage (and potentially the relevant contracts between the parties and the landowner) most of this is probably speculation.

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Why would a driver need to form a contract with a parking company when they already had a contract to use the apparatus??

Following that logic a driver using a drive through on a site would be entering a contract for food (as opposed to electricity) or any other onsite service, being a patron of a pub would automatically exempt them from the contract with the PPC. We know in reality that's not the case.

The landowner could also be intending to restrict the use of the charge points to specific users, for specific durations or also expect users to pay for parking on top of charging which they convey via the parking enforcement signage. I don't see how a vague undocumented offer to use the charger would trump the defined offer within the parking signage. So unless there is specific signage at the location of the chargers detailing the terms of use for the chargers in respect of being in the car park the general terms would apply. Unless the charge point operator is leasing the land and bays the chargers are installed on in which case the PPC has mandate to enforce those bays without written consent from the leaseholder.

For the OP, IPC / IAS so no amount of legal gymnastics has much chance of success appeal. Plan A, talk to the hotel.

No.

This is different because the contract with ROAM is to charge the vehicle and as such the vehicle must be present on site in order to charge.

That is different to a customer who enters an establishment for their own purposes, namely; eat / drink / sleep etc - the fact that they parked a car in the car park is therefore a clearly separate event to eating / drinking / sleeping etc.

In the instance of a patron using a pub, the patron may or may not use the option of onsite car parking - parking is not a required prerequisite to using the establishment - in the instance of charging a vehicle, the vehicle itself is a component part of the contract to charge - therefore, using the site to park is a clear prerequisite to charging the vehicle - meaning it is reasonable to assume that entering the ROAM contract to charge would include the right to be there.


I'm sure that there is some legal precedent for this but I cannot remember which case it was!! Doh! But I'm pretty sure it involved a garage which was set in a private estate - customers of the garage got notices demanding charges from the landowner.

Your point about a 'Drive-Thru' restaurant is total valid and would clearly fall into the category we are discussing since it is reasonable that by using the drive thru you are contracting directly with the landowner (to provide food while you remain in your vehicle) without the need to enter a third party contract.
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Re: UKPC Parking PCN - Pub car park EV Charging
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I'm sure that there is some legal precedent for this but I cannot remember which case it was!! Doh! But I'm pretty sure it involved a garage which was set in a private estate - customers of the garage got notices demanding charges from the landowner.
I've been involved in a similar case on PePiPoo... The argument there was that the garage was not part of the land enforceable by the operator (the driver had merely passed through that land to reach the garage). In this case the waters are likely to be slightly muddied by UKPC's contract, which I imagine covers those bays as it was likely signed before the chargers were installed.

We really ought to see the various signs in the car park.

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The garage will have been a leaseholder and therefore had rights over the land which will have extended to the customers of the garage but not the PPC. As I said before some landowners are giving 20 year leases to charge point operators for a couple of bays within a wider car park, after they have contracted with a PPC. In that situation the PPC can't enforce on those bays. As they don't know who is and isn't in the EV bays it screws up enforcement. The complication here is land owners often don't tell the PPC and many of the PPCs wont care. The OP should go back to ROAM and ask them if they are leasing the land their chargers occupy. If they do the PPC can't enforce on those bays and the OP can tell the PPC to back off. Even if the PPC doesn't it'll be a pretty solid case in court if it gets that far.

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Hi all,

Thanks for the help. I have called the hotel and they said they would ask ukpc if they can cancel or reduce the fine, I've since emailed it to them and they've passed it on.

I have also asked roam r.e. leasing the land. No response yet but will update if I hear anything.

Thanks again

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Just to finish this off - the hotel has responded and the ticket has been cancelled

Thanks again for the advice
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