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Dear all

couldn't find anything similar in the search.

The only correspondence I have about this offence is from Debt Recovery Plus (DRP) who tell me I was given a parking ticket 1st August this year.

This ticket was sent to me in the post but it never arrived.

My basement flat has its own letter box. Occasionally letters go upstairs but I've checked and it isn't there either (they have an unclaimed pile that goes back months due to ignoring letters addressed to people who might be transient in one of three flats served by that letter box).

DRP tell me I 'may not have responded to previous letters' but the first letter came from them telling me I now owe £170
Their first letter to me was dated 11th September

The original fine was £60 but I found that out on the phone - I still do not know what time I parked illegally in this case.

The debt collector I spoke to was sarcastic and told me we were beyond the point of challenge and to 'enjoy the rest of my day'

They told me the dispute was between me and Royal Mail

I said I was willing to pay the original fine but object to being fined for not receiving their notification in the post
(This car park apparently no longer puts notices on the cars but only posts fines)

I understand it may now have been referred to the court for contest but don't really know what that entails.

EAST HEATH ROAD CAR PARK LONDON NW3 1TH


any advice gratefully received

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Re: Parking ticket didn't arrive in the post - Hampstead Heath car park
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This sounds suspiciously like a private parkig ticket, because councils cannot serve them by post for their car parks.
So please read this and update your post accordingly : -
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

We need to see all of the documents in your poossession. Only redact name and address, leave everything else in.

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If this is in fact a private parking charge, rather than one from a council (which seems likely currently), then please read this guide instead: READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide. The information we require for helping with private tickets is slightly different to council ones.

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I've reported this as wrong forum but after more investigation it appears to be City of London controlled

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it is city of London
policed by anpr by Apcoa
« Last Edit: October 03, 2024, 11:43:46 pm by mickR »
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@taksin you need to show us whatever paperwork you've received, at the moment we don't even know if this is a council PCN or a private invoice.
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(trying to send jpegs but they aren't being accepted - will post this text here and try again below)

Thanks

I didn't know that place was a private car park. I've uploaded the only two letters Ive received from the debt collectors. The second one was sent the day after I called them to discuss and you'll see it contains 'My Findings'

In conversation they asked me to provide evidence that I did not receive the fine, which is a basic problem in this case

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Can’t send them as JPEG’s through laptop or from my photo library by phone

“The upload folder is full. Please try a smaller file and/or contact an administrator.“

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I can't see how to contact admin but I've also tried sending them as a jpg and also copy and paste photos

Edit: reading instructions on the uploading page
« Last Edit: October 04, 2024, 08:42:42 am by taksin »

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It's for a PCN from an unregulated private parking company, Park & Control, an affiliate of APCOA.

@taksin... stop trying to contact DRP. Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, and I stress... EVER, contact a debt collector. They are powerless to do anything and their job is to scare the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into capitulating and paying up with scary words like "bailiff" and "CCJ". They cannot do anything and can be safely ignored. I repeat... ignore DRP and DO NOT communicate with them.

The first thing you must to is check that the address on your V5C is your current address. In the vast majority of case where no initial Notice to Keeper (NtK) is received but a debt collector finds your address is because when you last moved, you may have update your drivers licence but did you also update your V5C? Updating one, does not update the other.

P&C are IPC members so you're not going to get much help by complaining about not having received the initial PCN or reminders. You are past any appeal stage and now in a sort of limbo.

For the time being, ignore any and all debt collector letters. If/when you ever receive a Letter of Claim (LoC) which may seem like a debt collector letter but it will actually give you 30 days to pay rather than the usual 14 days, then come back and let up know and we will advise on the next steps.

If P&C are anything like their affiliate company, APCOA, they will not litigate. However, if they do, that is a good thing and you can easily defend any claim. There is no danger of getting a CCJ if you follow the advice.

Oh, and stop offering to pay the original "fine". It is not and never was a "fine" I will personally give you £100 for every occurrence of the word "fine" you can find on any of the correspondence you received. It is simply an invoice for an alleged breach of contract with P&C by the driver. Nothing more and nothing less. Do you pay every invoice you get without knowing what it is for and whether you even owe the alleged debt?

DO NOT offer to pay the original amount. Whilst it is not likely this will go all the way to a court claim, even if it did, it is easy to defend and in the vast majority of cases, they will discontinue once they realise that you are not so gullible after all and they go off in search of lower-hanging fruit to pluck.

If your V5C address is not correct, get it sorted ASPA. Easy to do online. If the address was an old one, you MUST send a data rectification notice to the DPO of P&C instructing them to update their recored with your current address for service and to erase your old address and to notify you when they have done so. Also instruct them to do the same with any third party they have distributed your DVLA data to.

The highlighted words are there for a reason and you must use them in your data rectification notice. Leaving P&C with a choice of two addresses is a sure fire way of getting a CCJ by default which is a PITA to untangle.

So, no contacting DRP or any other debt collector and do nothing else, except rectify your data with P&C, until or unless you receive an LoC or an actual claim form. Then come back for advice.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2024, 10:31:54 am by b789 »
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Thanks very much for that advice. I will follow it to the word

No the V5C is correct as I bought this car recently and at this address. All paperwork was done correctly

If anything develops I shall get back to the forum