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I received a parking ticket back in April. "no valid pay and display/permit was purchased," £100 It included some photos of me driving in and out of the car park. I did pay using my debit card at the machine. I appealed the ticket and sent them my proof of payment from my bank statement showing the payment and date to Euro Car Parks. So I thought that was an easy mistake on their side, and that would be the end of it.

Then 4 months later I got a final notice letter. So I contacted them and asked how they could send me a final notice letter since I never got a response from my appeal. They responded with an email and a picture of proof of the email they sent me and the email address they sent it to. Which was the wrong email address, their mistake. They sent it to .com instead of .co.uk. That is why I never heard from them. I have no idea what is in the appeal response email. I'm surprised they declined my appeal since I have bank statements with proof of payment. I emailed Euro car parks again informing them that they sent my appeal response to the wrong email address, but they said it's not their problem it was sent to the wrong email address and they won't be dealing with it any further it's with the Debt people now.

Looks like I'll be heading to Court at some point in the future. Any advice?

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Re: Euro car park PCN Portsmouth
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Easy one to win but takes a little bit of effort. ECP are on a roll right now and have been issuing thousands of these "old" PCNs.

As you are way past the POPLA appeal period, before this goes to litigation (it will), there is one more card to play...

As you are able to evidence that you never received a POPLA code because ECP emailed the appeal rejection to the wrong email address, you should complain (not appeal) to ECP that under the BPA Code of Practice, section 23.12 which states:

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23.12 Where you reject an appeal against a parking charge notice, you must present the driver, keeper or hire company with the option to:

a) pay the parking charge; or

b) appeal the decision to POPLA

• You must tell the motorist how to make an appeal to POPLA. This includes providing a template ‘notice of appeal’ form or a link to the appropriate website for lodging an appeal and a valid 10-digit verification code. Even if the verification code is automatically printed on an enclosed appeal form, it must still be in a prominent position on the first page of the rejection letter.

• You must give the motorist a reasonable amount of time to pay the charge before restarting the collection process. We recommend that you allow at least 35 days from the date you rejected the challenge.

As you have evidence that they have not complied with that requirement, because you can see from their evidence, that the rejection of the appeal together with the POPLA code was emailed by them to the wrong email address, they should put any enforcement action on hold and resend you the appeal rejection together with the POPLA code and to reset the appeals process clock (giving you 28 days from the (new) appeal rejection date.

These are (some of) the BPA CoP rules they must comply with following receipt of a complaint:

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23.24. A complaint must be acknowledged by you within 14 days of its receipt unless exceptional circumstances apply, in which case the complainant must be kept informed by you.
For a small operator there might from time to time be limited administrative capacity to handle communications, e.g. due to staff sickness.

23.25. A full response to a complaint must be provided by you within 28 days of its receipt unless exceptional circumstances apply, in which case the complainant must be kept informed by you.

As the complaint is about the appeals process being incomplete due to ECPs error, you may want to highlight section 23.12a of the BPA CoP:

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23.12a If an appeal is being considered by POPLA, the debt recovery process must not be commenced/recommenced until the outcome of the case is known. We would expect operators to have systems in place to ensure that this does not happen.


In this case, the outcome was never sent to you, therefore the debt recovery process should be suspended.

Failure by ECP to comply with your request will lead to a formal complaint to the BPA. If they continue to brush you off with the "deal with the debt collector", then go straight to a BPA complaint with the evidence. Normally the BPA will tell you to go through the operators complaints procedure first and exhaust that. If ECP will not accept your complaint then go straight to the BPA.

Only issue is that the BPA are incestuously intertwined with their member paymasters, the operators.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Re: Euro car park PCN Portsmouth
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Thanks for the great response! I will contact them again and ask if they can resend me the appeal response. In case ECP and BPA aren't helpful, what are my chances if I do end up going to court?

Re: Euro car park PCN Portsmouth
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ECP have been using DCB Legal to issue their claims recently. The good news there is that they have established a well-trodden path where, if you defend the claim and follow all the relevant steps, they eventually discontinue before it gets to a hearing, meaning you win.

We can't offer any guarantees, as prior conduct is not always a reliable indicator of future conduct, but they've been up to this trick for a couple of years now. Read this from our friendly neighbours on MSE for an idea of their way of doing things: https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6377263/dcb-legal-record-of-private-parking-court-claim-discontinuations/p85