Author Topic: Parking Eye PCN Lidl car park Ashford  (Read 2118 times)

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Re: Parking Eye PCN Lidl car park Ashford
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I've been a bit busy the last couple of weeks, I got the letter by post off within the 28 days deadline, I didn't really want to do it online so as to give them access to me emails.

Now more waiting while they decide where Ashford is. I note on their website they do actually seem to have the precise location.
Bus driving since 1973. My advice, if you have a PSV licence, destroy it when you get to 65 or you'll be forever in demand.

Re: Parking Eye PCN Lidl car park Ashford
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Why on earth wouldn't you send the appeal online? So what if they have your email address? If you're so worried about giving them an email address then set up a temporary disposable one.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Parking Eye PCN Lidl car park Ashford
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Never knew I could do that! I can just about navigate my way round forums (fora?) like this but when it comes to other stuff my mind just can't cope with any more techy stuff. Mind you I've got an old email I could use.
Bus driving since 1973. My advice, if you have a PSV licence, destroy it when you get to 65 or you'll be forever in demand.

Re: Parking Eye PCN Lidl car park Ashford
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Having sent my "appeal" to Parking eye, I've now received their usual "totally ignore all the points you make" letter, telling me I should name the driver.

They ignore the fact tht there's 2 Ashfords, each with a Lidl store. Hopefully attached redacted copies of their reply.
Bus driving since 1973. My advice, if you have a PSV licence, destroy it when you get to 65 or you'll be forever in demand.

Re: Parking Eye PCN Lidl car park Ashford
« Reply #19 on: »
Here's the reply from Parking Eye, note they totally ignore any of the points made in my letter (it was a cut and paste of the one provided up the page a bit), here's the link to their reply.
https://imgur.com/a/tExnNNQ
« Last Edit: November 02, 2024, 10:59:12 pm by roythebus »
Bus driving since 1973. My advice, if you have a PSV licence, destroy it when you get to 65 or you'll be forever in demand.

Re: Parking Eye PCN Lidl car park Ashford
« Reply #20 on: »
It's their standard fishing expedition letter. I'd ignore it and wait for their rejection which will include a POPLA code.

Re: Parking Eye PCN Lidl car park Ashford
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Dear ParkingEye,

Re: Parking Charge Notice - [Your Reference Number]

Thank you for your letter dated 31st October 2024. However, I must draw your attention to the specific requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), Schedule 4, which governs keeper liability in this matter.

While you have referenced section 9(2)(b) of PoFA to suggest that the keeper is liable, Schedule 4 only allows liability to be transferred to the keeper if all conditions are met, including sections 9(2)(a) and 9(2)(e)(i). Your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not meet these requirements in the following ways:

Non-Compliance with Section 9(2)(a): PoFA 9(2)(a) requires that the NtK must specify the “relevant land” on which the vehicle was parked. In your notice, the location is simply listed as "Lidl, Ashford". This description is insufficient to meet the statutory requirement, as pointed out in my appeal, there are two different towns named Ashford, each with its own Lidl store. The failure to specify the exact location creates ambiguity, which means the NtK does not comply with PoFA 9(2)(a).

Non-Compliance with Section 9(2)(e)(i): PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) requires that the NtK explicitly invites the keeper to pay the parking charge if they were not the driver. The wording in your letter, however, does not contain any such invitation. Instead, it states:

“You have already been notified that under section 9(2)(b) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 that the driver of the motor vehicle is required to pay this parking charge in full. As we do not know the driver’s name or current postal address, if you were not the driver at the time, you should tell us the full name and the current postal address of the driver.

You are warned that if, after 29 days from the Date of Issue, the parking charge has not been paid in full and we do not know both the name and current address of the driver, we have the right to recover any unpaid part of the parking charge from you, the registered keeper.”

As with the original NtK, this wording does not contain any invitation for the keeper to pay the charge if they were not the driver. Nor does it impose an obligation on the keeper to pay. Instead, it merely warns that, if the charge remains unpaid after 29 days and ParkingEye does not have the name and address of the driver, you may seek to recover the charge from the keeper. This language is insufficient to meet the statutory requirement, which mandates a clear and unambiguous invitation to the keeper to pay the charge if they were not the driver. By omitting this specific invitation, your NtK fails to comply with PoFA 9(2)(e)(i).

Warning under Section 9(2)(f): The warning you provided under section 9(2)(f) is only valid if all conditions of PoFA are met. Since your NtK does not comply with sections 9(2)(a) and 9(2)(e)(i), this warning does not have effect, as keeper liability cannot be established.

So, I remind you, partial or even substantial compliance with the requirements of PoFA is not sufficient to hold the keeper liable. Given these failures to fully comply with PoFA, there is no lawful basis to hold the keeper liable for this charge. I therefore request that you cancel this Parking Charge Notice.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Parking Eye PCN Lidl car park Ashford
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Thanks for that, most useful. Should I wait for a popla code before sending this?
Bus driving since 1973. My advice, if you have a PSV licence, destroy it when you get to 65 or you'll be forever in demand.

Re: Parking Eye PCN Lidl car park Ashford
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No. Just send it. You will get a POPLA code when they reject your appeal. This is just to respond to their letter with an explanation that may get through some thick skulls.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain