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Parking eye pcn- 10 min overstay- Wimborne high st
« on: September 04, 2024, 07:04:26 pm »
Would appreciate advice as seems incredibly harsh. Driver has blue disabled badge, photo of arrival taken at 11:51. The driver struggles  walking & had to wait behind 2 other people at ticket machine, so bought a 3 hour ticket at 11:57. Was photographed leaving at 15:01. Registered keeper issued PCN for 10 mins over stay. Driver can prove payment time & blue disabled badge. Didn’t park in disabled spot as there were none at site ,but blue badge shows the  driver struggles walking.



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Re: Parking eye pcn- 10 min overstay- Wimborne high st
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2024, 08:00:13 pm »
To help us help you, please read the following thread and provide as much of the information it asks for that you are able to, in particular images of the notice received: READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide

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Re: Parking eye pcn- 10 min overstay- Wimborne high st
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2024, 06:26:42 pm »
I’m struggling to insert pics. Sorry I’m a bit old for this. I’ll see if I can work it out.

Really just trying to find out whether there is some flexibility around timings and getting tickets. A 10 min overstay when the driver is disabled and takes time to buy ticket seems unfair.
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Re: Parking eye pcn- 10 min overstay- Wimborne high st
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2024, 06:39:58 pm »
If you feel you have been issued a PCN unfairly, then it is up to you whether you wish to do anything about it. We are here to assist you if you do decide to fight.

We can appreciate that it can be difficult using all this technology, especially if you are not used to it. However, the explanation in the link provided is really quite straight forward if you take your time to try and understand it. I can't speak for the other regulars on here but I'm a pensioner and it is only because I have the time to spare that I can assist on here.

In the meantime, please tell which Private Parking Company (PPC) has issued the Notice to Keeper (NtK).
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Re: Parking eye pcn- 10 min overstay- Wimborne high st
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2024, 06:40:27 pm »
If you scroll to the bottom of the thread I linked you to, there's a guide to using Imgur to add images. The upload space on this website is very limited.

It would be useful to see them as their may be additional appeal routes.

An argument can be made that a 10 minute grace was insufficient in the circumstances. Or even that it wasn't exceeded at all, depending on what the notice says.

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Re: Parking eye pcn- 10 min overstay- Wimborne high st
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2024, 06:34:23 pm »








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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2024, 06:38:57 pm »
Finally managed to get there and post pics.

Want to appeal this as driver paid for 3 hours but camera caught car in car park for 3 hours 10 mins. Don’t know what grounds to use. Driver has blue badge, and older person. Took a few minutes to walk to machine, work out payment. Assumed that 3 hours was from when ticket was placed on screen, not from when the camera captured them driving in. There were also 3 people in queue when driver went to pay & only 1 machine on site.

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Re: Parking eye pcn- 10 min overstay- Wimborne high st
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2024, 07:19:03 pm »
Was the vehicle parked in an "Accessible Bay" for blue badge holders? This is crucial information that we need.

You do have grounds for an appeal. You should also not identify who the driver is. There is no legal obligation on the Keeper (presumably you) to identify the driver. There is a technical flaw in the Notice to Keeper (NtK) that means that PE cannot transfer liability for the charge from the driver (unknown to them) to you, the Keeper (known to them).

Whilst PE will argue that the NtK is compliant with PoFA 2012, the law that allows them to hold the Keeper liable if they don't know the identity of the driver, the technical flaw is that there is no "invitation" for the Keeper to pay the charge. PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) requires that the NtK "invites" the Keeper to pay the charge. There is no "invitation" not any synonym of the word in that NtK. To be able to transfer liability from the unknown driver to the known Keeper, the NtK MUST fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient.

The other points of appeal will be breaches of their own AOS (the BPA) Code of Practice (CoP). If the vehicle was parked correctly and had paid for the parking, they have to allow a "grace period" during which no parking charge can be made.

Section 16.1 of the BPA CoP states:

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Where parking is being provided as a service, you need to have regard to the obligations placed upon you by the Equality Act 2010 and the Services, Public functions and Associations: Statutory Code of Practice, issued by the Equality and Human Rights (EHRC), in particular to make reasonable adaptations to accommodate disabled people. Reference should also be given to the car park accessibility section in Inclusive Mobility, guidance published on GOV.UK by the Department for Transport on the creation and maintenance of an accessible and inclusive built environment and public realm, an essential document for those seeking to produce an inclusive environment and meet the requirements of the Act, including the public sector Equality Duty, and other legislation.

Many parking operators and landowners choose to recognise the Blue Badge scheme and provide designated provision with specific bays which allow more space for opening vehicle doors, getting in and out of the vehicle, accessing a wheelchair etc. This might be appropriate for recognising the needs of people with limited physical mobility, but adaptations are not purely physical - people with other disabilities might reasonably need longer consideration period and grace periods, more time to access payment machinery, and other ways to pay where payment is required. Recognition of these obligations is important in the consideration of appeals.

In any initial appeal, it will be necessary to highlight this rule and their failure to comply with it. You will be required to show a copy of the blue badge.

The latest Joint CoP shows that all private car parks open to the public must provide a minimum 10 minute grace period if all other requirements of the terms have been complied with.

Please let us know the answer to my first question about whether the car was parked in an accessible bay for blue badge holders.
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Re: Parking eye pcn- 10 min overstay- Wimborne high st
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2024, 07:31:54 pm »
According to the opening post:
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Didn’t park in disabled spot as there were none at site

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Re: Parking eye pcn- 10 min overstay- Wimborne high st
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2024, 07:38:13 pm »
Does that mean that there were accessible spaces but they were all occupied or that there simply were no accessible bay at the location?
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Re: Parking eye pcn- 10 min overstay- Wimborne high st
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2024, 09:26:59 pm »
The PCN states: time on site 3 hrs 10mins.

OP states parking rights for 3-hr period were purchased at 11.57.

Min. 10 minutes' grace to be applied.

OP, what proof do you have of purchasing 3 hours and this being allocated to your VRM?

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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2024, 08:16:43 am »
There were no disabled bays on site. The only thing that complicates this line of appeal is the blue badge ran out on 21/8. BCP council who issued it are behind with renewals. They have told driver that out of date badge can be used in BCP council car parks & council roads as it’s a known issue that they are way behind in renewals. However, they have said the that this doesn’t apply to private car parks. I mentioned the blue badge because it shows the driver may have needed 10 mins to get ticket. Driver does have Doc & hospital letters detailing drivers problem with osteoarthritis in feet & ankles which means driver struggles to walk.
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« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2024, 08:19:10 am »
The driver has bank statement & screenshot of Apple Pay from contactless payment with time on. Does not have proof it’s linked to CRN

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Re: Parking eye pcn- 10 min overstay- Wimborne high st
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2024, 01:33:33 pm »
on the signage at this location, is there any mention of requiring a blue badge or that blue badge holders are not exempt from paying for parking, even though there are no accessible bays for people with disabilities?

In June 2023, according to GSV, there were no signs at the entrance to the private land that can be seen from Wimborne High Street.
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Re: Parking eye pcn- 10 min overstay- Wimborne high st
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2024, 01:48:03 pm »
A bespoke appeal to PE is required. You do not have to have a blue badge to be covered by the Equality Act 2010 (EA). Even if the blue badge is expired, if you have a protected charectristic (disability). I don't think there is any advantage using the PoFA flaw and the driver should be identified.

Under the EA, ParkingEye are required to make reasonable adjustments for disabled individuals. In this case, if the car park did not have accessible bays and you required additional time to enter and exit your vehicle due to your disability, PE are obliged to consider this a reasonable adjustment.

Here is a bespoke appeal you could try:

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Appeal Against PCN [PCN Number]

I am appealing this Parking Charge Notice (PCN) as the registered keeper, based on the following grounds:

1. Breach of the Equality Act 2010: Unlawful Indirect Discrimination and Non-Compliance with BPA Code of Practice (Section 16)

ParkingEye has breached my rights under the Equality Act 2010 by failing to make reasonable adjustments for individuals with disabilities, as outlined in the latest version of the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice v9, Section 16.

Section 16.1 of the BPA CoP requires that parking operators accommodate people with disabilities by making reasonable adaptations, such as providing more time to access payment machinery, longer grace periods, or accessible ways to pay. However, ParkingEye has not made any such reasonable adaptations for the disability, which affects my mobility as I struggle to walk and required additional time as I had to wait behind 2 other people at the ticket machine. A ticket, valid for 3 hours, was purchased at 11:57.

Furthermore, there are no accessible bays at this carpark, which is another failure of ParkingEye to adhere to Section 16.1 of the BPA CoP, and constitutes indirect discrimination. As noted in Section 16.3, if the Blue Badge scheme is recognised, designated Blue Badge bays should be clearly marked and properly monitored to prevent inappropriate use, which was not the case in this car park.

By failing to provide accessible bays and appropriate adaptations for disabled individuals, ParkingEye has unlawfully discriminated against me under the Equality Act 2010. Discrimination, whether direct or indirect, is unlawful. Now that I have notified you of my Blue Badge and protected characteristics, any further failure to make reasonable adjustments would be classified as direct discrimination.

I have attached a copy of my Blue Badge as evidence of my protected characteristics under the Equality Act.

2. Proof of Payment for Parking

I paid for 3 hours of parking on the day in question, as evidenced by the attached ApplePay receipt. The vehicle was recorded as being on site for 3 hours and 10 minutes, which includes time spent entering and exiting the car park, struggling to enter and exit the vehicle due to lack of accessible parking bays and time to get and from and waiting at the payment machine.

Under Section 16.1 of the BPA CoP, it specifically states that individuals with disabilities may reasonably require more time to access payment systems and exit the car park. The BPA Code of Practice further specifies that operators must allow for grace periods. The 10-minute overstay clearly falls within a reasonable grace period, particularly in light of my mobility challenges.

3. Request for Cancellation

Given the above points—ParkingEye’s failure to comply with the Equality Act 2010 and the BPA Code of Practice (Section 16), proof of payment, allowance for a reasonable grace period, I request that this Parking Charge Notice be cancelled immediately. If this appeal is not upheld, I expect a POPLA code where I will escalate the matter. I will also consider further legal action due to unlawful discrimination under the Equality Act.

Supporting Evidence:

1. Copy of my Blue Badge.
2. ApplePay receipt for 3 hours of parking.

Any other regulars care to comment?
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