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Hello

I got a PPS notice to keeper charge. it says its overdue too. i never recieved the first letter! see attached...



shall i appeal?

see below of images of the letter i received:










ALSO i remember this day, i went to get my passport renewed from the passport office. there were roadworks on entry... there was a sign i found on google street view. it says 'NO PARKING ON RED ROUTE' SEE ATTACHED.

i never parked on the red route. it was no red route with a disable badge.  there was a shipment container blocker the exit of a building, which covered that signage on streetview where the container was, i parked along side the container. see images attached.




« Last Edit: Yesterday at 01:27:44 pm by da3533 »

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Re: PPS PARKING CHARGE - didnt even recieve the first letter!
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Any suggestions?

Thanks

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One angle here is that Royal Victoria Dock may well be covered by bylaws and is not private land.
Regulars will advise.

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See https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/pcn-pps-royal-victoria-docks-e16/15/
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And today the FoI request was answered with a ton of documents which basically show that the location is not private land, which is why PPS have gone scuttling off.

If you want the FoI info so that you can now sue PPS for their unlawful breach of your GDPR and to also get back at them with a formal DVLA complaint that could see them suspended from the KADOE contract, then PM me with an email address I can forward it to.
Unfortunately b789 isn’t around here any more.

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Thanks for your replies.

I have drafted an appeal:


I am the registered keeper of the vehicle and I dispute this Parking Charge in full.

This is the first correspondence I have received regarding this matter and this is my first opportunity to respond. No prior Notice to Keeper was received within the required timeframe. As such, I was not given a fair opportunity to respond or appeal at the appropriate stage. In the absence of a properly served and compliant Notice to Keeper in accordance with Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, you cannot transfer liability to the registered keeper.

Further to this, I dispute the charge on the following grounds:

1. The vehicle was not parked on any red route

The allegation refers to “Parking in a No Parking area” and relies on signage stating “No Parking on Red Routes”. The vehicle was not parked on any red route. There were no double red lines or any standard road markings indicating a red route at the position where the vehicle was parked.

The vehicle was positioned on a separate block-paved area adjacent to the building frontage, outside what appears to be a loading/service entrance. This area is visually and physically distinct from the main carriageway and from any red route markings, which are located further away on the actual roadway.

As such, the restriction stated on the sign does not apply to the location where the vehicle was parked.

2. The area is not clearly defined as restricted

There are no clear boundary markings, signage, or physical indicators to define the area where the vehicle was parked as part of any restricted zone. The block-paved area gives the clear impression of a separate space, such as a loading bay or frontage area, rather than part of a controlled red route.

A reasonable driver would not interpret this area as being subject to the same restrictions as the red-lined roadway. The lack of clarity and definition fails to meet the requirements of the BPA Code of Practice.

3. Inadequate, misleading, and non-contractual signage

The signage relied upon states “No Parking on Red Routes”, which is prohibitive in nature and does not offer parking under any contractual terms. It does not clearly state that parking is prohibited in the specific area where the vehicle was positioned, nor does it clearly display any parking charge at the point of parking.

Such signage is incapable of forming a legally binding contract. In addition, any signage positioned elsewhere (including on the opposite side of the road) is not sufficient to communicate terms to a driver parked in a separate area, particularly where it is not within a clear line of sight.

4. Signage was obstructed and not visible at the time

At the time of parking, site conditions were materially different due to roadworks and temporary obstructions.

A large beige shipping container was positioned directly in front of the building, occupying the area where signage would ordinarily be visible. This container obstructed the line of sight to any signage in that location.

Additionally, a pallet of drink boxes was positioned to the right of the container, further obstructing visibility and altering the layout of the area.

The vehicle was parked alongside this container, in a position that appeared separate from the carriageway and outside any marked red route. Due to these obstructions, no signage was visible, readable, or capable of being understood prior to parking.

Any signage visible on historical imagery (such as Google Street View) was not visible at the time due to these temporary obstructions. This fails the requirement for clear, prominent, and visible signage as required by the BPA Code of Practice.

5. No clear evidence of contravention

Given the absence of red route markings at the parking position, the unclear boundaries of the area, and the obstructed signage, it is not evident that any contravention has occurred. The burden of proof rests with the operator to demonstrate that the vehicle was parked in a clearly restricted area with adequate and visible signage, which is denied.

6. Land status and lack of proof of authority

It is unclear whether the land in question constitutes “relevant land” for the purposes of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.

I understand that areas around Royal Victoria Docks may be subject to statutory control or byelaws. If this is the case, then the land would not be “relevant land”, and you would be unable to rely on keeper liability under POFA.

You are therefore required to provide strict proof that:
- The land is relevant land as defined under Schedule 4 of POFA
- You have full authority from the landowner to issue and enforce parking charges at this location

I am under no obligation to identify the driver and will not be doing so.

For all of the reasons stated above, I require that this charge is cancelled. Alternatively, please provide a POPLA verification code so that I may escalate the matter.
« Last Edit: Today at 10:51:45 am by da3533 »

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Are there photos on their website? The dates and wording suggest a screen PCN may have been served. Doesn't make much difference to the appeal, but may change one of your paras.

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Are there photos on their website? The dates and wording suggest a screen PCN may have been served. Doesn't make much difference to the appeal, but may change one of your paras.

Yes, just found it by entering the ref.. see below... (im in the Grey Qashqai) i didnt see that signage on the left. there is a signage behind the container. the container was blocking all views. it was on red route so i waited there right beside the container..


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In the absence of b789 you could see whether the relevant authority has published the FOI response, and if not, submit your own request.

In addition to the relevant land argument, in struggling to see what contractual offer to park is communicated by a sign that says "No parking at any time".
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Re: PPS PARKING CHARGE - didnt even recieve the first letter!
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In the absence of b789 you could see whether the relevant authority has published the FOI response, and if not, submit your own request.

In addition to the relevant land argument, in struggling to see what contractual offer to park is communicated by a sign that says "No parking at any time".



they had this sign.




ive added this to my draft:


While I note that there is a sign positioned on the wall behind the location where the vehicle was parked, this sign was not visible at any point prior to parking.

Due to the layout of the road being a dead-end, the vehicle was required to turn before reaching the position of the container. I turned before the container and parked immediately alongside it. As a result, the sign located behind the container was completely out of view and could not be seen at all prior to or at the time of parking.

The sign would only become visible after completing a manoeuvre such as reversing or turning 180 degrees after already parking, which is not sufficient for the purposes of forming a contract.

Additionally, the presence of a large beige shipping container and a pallet of drink boxes further obstructed any possible line of sight to the signage.

For a parking charge to be enforceable, the terms must be clearly visible and capable of being read before the driver makes the decision to park. In this case, the signage was not visible at all at the material time, and therefore no contract could have been formed.
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Re: PPS PARKING CHARGE - didnt even recieve the first letter!
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Given one of your arguments is that they cannot hold you liable as the keeper using PoFA it would be very unwise to identify the driver, which your proposed additional wording would do.

My previous point also still stands - what offer to park is communicated by that sign?
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