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Hello Guys

First of all- Thank you for creating this platform. I am sure you all saving lives. I am new and posting something for the first time and would appreciate your support. Let me elucidate the agenda as following:

I have got a PCN National Parking Management (NPM) for not having e-permit. I have appealed as keeper only and although its rejected (Copy attached). My appeal was based upon having no clear sign or instructions for paying or obtaining that e-permit. Also- I parked there for a brief amount of time and never left the vehicle. Still they issued it. I also advised them not to share this PCN info with any Independent Agency or so. But they rejected and advised to go through tribunal. Please advise and I believe I have to take a step by 8th of January.I have also attached my appeal representation with this as well.

Thank you for taking time reading this and let me know if you need any more info. I would look forward to hear from you.

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Md

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Can you please show us the Notice to Keeper (NtK) you received (both sides) leaving all dates and times showing. We have no idea of how long the vehicle is evidenced to have been at the location. You go on about it in your appeal without stating the period of parking.

Please read this thread and post the images of the NtK so that we can assist in determining the best way forward: READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide

Please don't sign formal letters with "Regards". You may as well put "Love and kisses". Any formal letter should be signed "Yours faithfully" if you don't know the person or "Yours sincerely" if you do.

You have threatened to sue them for "harassment" under the Harassment Act 1997 and breach of your GDPR under the Data Protection Act 2018. Are you bluffing them or are you going to follow through with your threat? NPM have not responded to it in their appeal rejection. Maybe they don't believe you.
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Hi

Thanks for your reply and clarification. I have only received the notice of rejection which I previously attached. This time I have attached the copy of online images- it appears I was there from 20:36 till 21:25 and during this time the engine was on and the driver was inside the car the whole time, never left. I have received this notice as the keeper of the vehicle.

In regards to suing them- not sure, how they can tell I am bluffing where as I made it abundantly clear. However, I would do my best legitimately to deal with this matter. This PCN does not make sense.

Please advise.

Thanks

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I have only received the notice of rejection which I previously attached.
The only thing you have received is the notice of rejection? That can't be right... How would you have known to appeal if you hadn't received anything?

We need to see the original notice, and ideally photos of the signage at the site.

An argument that the vehicle wasn't parked is very unlikely to fly given the car was there for 50 minutes. The other arguments may have more merit but we'll need to see the PCN and the signage.
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Hi

Apologies. Got you now - I have now attached the PCN and pictures taken of the signage.

Thanks

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You've obscured one of the most important dates we need to see. Please tell us the date of sending of the NtK.
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12th of November, 2024.

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NtK appears to be PoFA compliant so they can hold the Keeper liable if the drivers identity is not revealed. As NPM are an IPC member, it is not worth appealing to the IAS.

You either pay it or wait and see if they issue a claim. If they do, you defend it.
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Hi

Thank for your reply. Do you mean- if they issue a charge certificate as the next step and then appeal it? I believe that would be appeal in court or debt agency? One more thing- I have a pristine credit record and hope it would not subjected to any CCJ or so which I would hate. As long as they communicate fairly and on time.

Much obliged.
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Charge certificates are for council PCNs, no such thing in the private process.

The next step will be a barrage of letters from debt collectors, which you can ignore. If they decide to sue, at some point you'll receive a Letter of Claim, if you do, come back here for advice.

If the worst were to happen and you were to lose, providing you pay on time, the CCJ would be removed from the public record, avoiding harm to your credit score etc.

If you move house at all between now and the alleged debt becoming time barred (6 years from the date of the parking event) and the matter is not resolved, contact the Data Protection Officer at NPM to inform them of your new address.
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Hi

Thanks for your reply. When is this PCN likely to be subjected under CCJ then? So what I understood- their next steps, chronologically would be- barrage letters from debt collectors, if sued by them a letter of claim and then my actions towards it. After this entire process, if I don't pay or win, then it gets to CCJ. Right? Until it gets dealt with court eventually between both parties, it does not go to CCJ record does it? I believe it should give myself all the opportunities/avenues to deal with it first rather than jumping into an extreme?

Appreciate your time and reply.
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There is zero chance of a CCJ if you follow the advice. The only way you could get a CCJ that would affect your credit record is if it went to court, you lost and then did not pay the judgment amount within 1 calendar month. If you did pay it, then there is no record of it on your credit file, it is expunged.

However, most of these cases that a litigated, never make it as far as a hearing. The majority are discontinued.  Some are struck out and the few that make it as far as a hearing are mostly won.

These unregulated private parking companies rely on the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to either pay the "mugs discount" or pay up when they threaten litigation. They really don't want to have to go to court as it costs them more than they make through the ignorance of the sheeple that who have no idea how to fight these PCNs.

So, no risk of CCJ even in the worst case scenario.
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Hi

Thank you for your reply. Indeed, it's been helpful. However, I have now receipt the further letter and it appears they have forwarded it to debt agency although in my appeal I strongly oppose to share any information at all.

Could you please suggest in light of considering next steps? I have attached the letter with this.

Much obliged.

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What is a “debt agency”? No such thing. You can safely ignore all Debt Recovery Agent (DRA) letters. Better known as debt collectors, they are powerless to do anything as they are not a party to the contract allegedly breached by the driver.

They rely on the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear. Ignore them. Use their letters as kindling or to line the bottom of a litter tray. We do not need to see or know about them.
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Hiya

I have received another letter with a bit more seriousness in it. I believe- I should ignore it? If so- when should I reply or act? What would be their next play? Please advise.

Appreciate your support.

Please find the attached letter.

Thanks you.

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