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A friend visited the new Costa at the Southend Airport Business Park on May 11th.  Streetview reference is here.

Being a recently opened branch, it’s not one she’s familiar with.  The ANPR controlled car park allows 90 minutes of free parking.  The car park is well labelled with Parking Eye’s boards.  Costa customers wishing to stay longer, up to 3 hours, have to input their car’s reg number into a little tablet beside the counter where you collect your drink. 

My friend didn’t spot the A4 sign on Costa’s door which stated the 90 minute limit, and due to a cluster of people waiting to collect their order, she couldn't see the tablet to enter your details.  Other than the sign beside the tablet, there are no further signs regarding parking, and it was not mentioned at the point of ordering.

A PCN was issued on May 15th, stating my friend stayed for 2hrs 19 minutes.  My friend is the registered owner of her car, and holds the V5.

Plan A is already in action, with an email sent off to Costa Coffee, although from what I’ve seen on MSE, whether they cancel seems to depend on who picks up your email. 

Assuming Plan A doesn’t work, is there anything on the PCN which she can challenge?

PCN page 1
PCN page 2
Car park sign
Tablet beside counter
Sign on door
Tablet by counter

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There is one point, which I will come to. However, I think you'll be hard pressed to say that there is insufficient notice that customers who wish to stay longer than 90 minutes need to input their VRM into a terminal within Costa.

For your Plan A, you should really be aiming as high up the Costa management food chain as possible. Find an email address for the CEO and start there.

Regarding an appeal point that may or may not work for Plans B and C is a failure to fully comply with the strict requirements of PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) as I cannot see anywhere in that NtK an invitation to the keeper to pay the charge. Because of this, they cannot rely on the provisions of PoFA to hold the keeper liable. As they don't know the identity of the driver (who is liable) they have nowhere to go.

Another point will depend on where exactly this Costa is actually located. If it is indeed in the car park of the airport, it may not be on "relevant land" for the purposes of keeper liability.

So, under no circumstances identify who was driving. Any appeal or communication is from the keeper only.

Having just tried to find the exact location of this Costa Coffee based on the location identified on the NtK, I am confused. Where exactly is this Costa coffee? A Google Maps search reveals only a Costa within the terminal. The NtK says "Costa Coffee Southend Airport, Southend" and on the back of the NtK it states "Costa Coffee Southend Airport, Southend Car Park".

With a location that is undoubtedly ambiguous, you have another PoFA appeal point (9(8)(a)) that should get this cancelled at Plan C, POPLA stage. I had one like this recently and appealed to POPLA where ParkingEye withdrew the PCN before adjudication. If it comes to that, I will provide you with the wording of that POPLA appeal.

I must stress that any PoFA appeal points are only valid as long as the drivers identity is not revealed, inadvertently or otherwise.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2024, 04:10:20 pm by b789 »
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Many thanks for your input.  Very interesting to get your thoughts.  I also suspected there was more than enough signage to use that as an arguement, so we'll bin that idea.

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Another point will depend on where exactly this Costa is actually located. If it is indeed in the car park of the airport, it may not be on "relevant land" for the purposes of keeper liability.

Having just tried to find the exact location of this Costa Coffee based on the location identified on the NtK, I am confused. Where exactly is this Costa coffee? A Google Maps search reveals only a Costa within the terminal. The NtK says "Costa Coffee Southend Airport, Southend" and on the back of the NtK it states "Costa Coffee Southend Airport, Southend Car Park".

It took me a while to find the Costa myself, not being familiar with the area.  It's so new that there's not much reference to it yet.  It's not on what I know to be airport land, but rather off a spine road called Cherry Orchard Way, to the west side of the airport site.  There are retail parks popping up on either side of Cherry Orchard Way, and the Costa is in one of these new retail parks, here.  The postcode is SS4 1YH. 

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Regarding an appeal point that may or may not work for Plans B and C is a failure to fully comply with the strict requirements of PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) as I cannot see anywhere in that NtK an invitation to the keeper to pay the charge. Because of this, they cannot rely on the provisions of PoFA to hold the keeper liable. As they don't know the identity of the driver (who is liable) they have nowhere to go.

This is interesting.  They have written to my friend as keeper, using her full name.  Should they not have done that? I have instructed my friend to make no contact with them at this point, so they won't get any confirmation of the driver.

Your friend should still complain as high up the management chain of Costa. Whilst it may seem obvious that they should have known that they had to enter their VRM into the terminal in order to be permitted to stay longer than 90 minutes as a customer, the fact is, your friend didn’t, for whatever reason. Maybe the signs weren’t prominent or clear enough. It doesn’t matter.

Costa should not have their patrons subjected to a speculative £100 invoice for an alleged breach of contract from an unregulated private parking company because they were a patron for more than 90 minutes. What kind of customer service is that to loyal patrons spending money with them.

However, now that you’ve explained where the Costa is, they are probably not the landowner who contracted Parking Eye to manage the car park. If it’s a retail site, you would need to find out who the landowner or estate manager is and ask them to get PE to cancel the PCN. Still write to Costa as they may be able to request the estate management to get the PCN cancelled. Your friend was not some rogue motorist using the parking space nefariously without being a customer.

The fact that the location of the Costa is ambiguous means that they have again, failed to fully comply with the strict requirements of PoFA.

ParkingEye have no idea who the driver is. They can only get the registered keepers details from the DVLA. What PoFA 2012 does, IF they fully comply with the strict requirements of PoFA, is allow them to go after the keeper if they don’t know the identity of the driver. However, the keeper is under no legal obligation to identify the driver and an unregulated private parking company cannot assume or infer that the keeper was also the driver. Hence the reason to only communicate as the keeper.

In the meantime, your friend needs to continue with Plan A. If that hasn’t succeeded by the 27th day after the PCN was issued, the Plan B appeal goes in. Don’t miss that deadline though. Just show us what your friend is planning to put in that appeal before it’s submitted.

Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

The informal email to Costa's customer service produced the expected "Sorry, we can't help" reply.  Her friend, who also drove and fell into the Parking Eye trap, received the exact same email, word for word.  It's almost like they deal with this sort of event on a regular basis  ::)

Costa customer service reply

She then emailed the CEO via the executive complaints email address and got the exact same email, also from Rosario at the customer services team, again.  Clearly they screen all the incoming emails.
« Last Edit: May 21, 2024, 02:58:19 pm by Biggles »

Should have just gone to the top to begin with instead of wasting time with whoever sent you that email. They obviously have no comprehension about the difference between a fine" and an invoice from a private company. That person is also oblivious to keeping their customer happy.

Looking at the location on GSV, the images from May last year do not show any signage at the location. Has that changed?
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

The standard Parking Eye sign boards are there, dotted around the car park - five of them, at a reasonable height, which is why I discounted my friend's chance of claiming insufficient signage.  I posted an example of them in the first post, if you can see anything on there which we can use?

Their CEO is a French chap named Philippe Schaillee, and I cannot find an email for him, other than the executive complaints one which my friend already used, and sent her back to "Rosario".  At this point, I am quite sure that "Rosario" is either a not, or a generic name used by all their customer service people. Costa seem to be very good at hiding their staff email addresses, urging you to use the generic contact form on their website.

"Rosario" wouldn't tell us who the landlord was, even when asked flat out for that information and nothing else.  We've done our own detective work and have finally found out ourselves.  It's a local group of "property consultants", Dedman Gray, who deal with new homes, residential property sales, buying and renting commercial property, land and auctions.  Having got them to confirm that they're the landlords, we're now gearing up to deal with them.
 
« Last Edit: May 21, 2024, 05:13:38 pm by Biggles »