Author Topic: Notice of Debt Recovery  (Read 3975 times)

0 Members and 134 Guests are viewing this topic.

Re: Notice of Debt Recovery
« Reply #15 on: »
OK. Thank you for your quick response DWBM2.

Although it begs the question why they did not reissue PCN at that point as oppose to choosing DRA route.

Re: Notice of Debt Recovery
« Reply #16 on: »
Essentially because they don't have to. They take whatever route they think maximises their chances of getting money out of you.

Re: Notice of Debt Recovery
« Reply #17 on: »
They will eventually send you a Letter of Claim (LoC) through DCB Legal, their bulk litigator of choice. Don't confuse any debt recovery letters from their sister company, DCBL.

If/when you receive the LoC, let us know and we'll advise on how to respond. In due course, you will receive an N1SDT Claim Form from the CNBC. We will again advise on deadlines and how to Acknowledge service and file the defence.

This is all normal and to be expected. As I have said here and many times elsewhere, as long as the claim is defended, they will eventually discontinue.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Notice of Debt Recovery
« Reply #18 on: »
Thank you all so much. I am really grateful for the guidance and all that you do here on this site.

Re: Notice of Debt Recovery
« Reply #19 on: »
Hi all

As advised, I have received the DCBL today and have posted an edited version here for your kind support.

Thank you

[ Guests cannot view attachments ]

Re: Notice of Debt Recovery
« Reply #20 on: »
Quote
Don't confuse any debt recovery letters from their sister company, DCBL.
Continue to ignore debt collectors.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2024, 05:38:41 pm by DWMB2 »

Re: Notice of Debt Recovery
« Reply #21 on: »
Not interested. Neither should you be. It is a useless debt collector letter. They are powerless to do anything and you should ignore it and any others you receive.

I refer you to this post from 5th December:

They will eventually send you a Letter of Claim (LoC) through DCB Legal, their bulk litigator of choice. Don't confuse any debt recovery letters from their sister company, DCBL.

If/when you receive the LoC, let us know and we'll advise on how to respond. In due course, you will receive an N1SDT Claim Form from the CNBC. We will again advise on deadlines and how to Acknowledge service and file the defence.

This is all normal and to be expected. As I have said here and many times elsewhere, as long as the claim is defended, they will eventually discontinue.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2024, 05:46:55 pm by b789 »
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Notice of Debt Recovery
« Reply #22 on: »
Arrrh of course, sorry I've confused the LOC with the DCBL. Thank you for drawing my attention to the posting of 5 December. I will ignore and sit tight.

Thank you for your quick response. B789
Like Like x 1 View List

Re: Notice of Debt Recovery
« Reply #23 on: »
Hi All

I have now received the LoC from DCB legal dated 6 March 2025 so I am posting for further advice as was suggested  I do, once this letter of claim was received .

Many thanks and I look forward to hearing back on next steps.

Re: Notice of Debt Recovery
« Reply #24 on: »
I suggest you post the letter with appropriate redactions.

Yes, it may be boilerplate but we’d better advise you if we saw it anyway.

Re: Notice of Debt Recovery
« Reply #25 on: »
I don’t think there is any need to show the LoC from DCB Legal. They are a boilerplate.

Send the following as an attachment in an email to info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself:

Quote
Dear Sirs,

Re: Letter of Claim dated [date]

I refer to your Letter of Claim.

I confirm that my address for service at this time is as follows, and I request that any outdated address be erased from your records to ensure compliance with data protection obligations:

[YOUR ADDRESS]

Please note that the alleged debt is disputed, and any court proceedings will be robustly defended.

I note that the sum claimed has been increased by an excessive and unjustifiable amount, which appears contrary to the principles established by the Government, who described such practices as “extorting money from motorists.” Please refrain from sending boilerplate responses or justifications regarding this issue.

Under the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims, I require specific answers to the following questions:

1. Does the additional £70 represent what you describe as a “Debt Recovery” fee? If so, is this figure net of or inclusive of VAT? If inclusive, I trust you will explain why I, as the alleged debtor, am being asked to cover your client’s VAT liability.

2. Regarding the principal sum of the alleged Parking Charge Notice (PCN): Is this being claimed as damages for breach of contract, or will it be pleaded as consideration for a purported parking contract?

I would caution you against simply dismissing these questions with vague or boilerplate responses, as I am fully aware of the implications. By claiming that PCNs are exempt from VAT while simultaneously inflating the debt recovery element, your client – with your assistance – appears to be evading VAT obligations due to HMRC. Such mendacious conduct raises serious questions about the legality and ethics of your practices.

I strongly advise your client to cease and desist. Should this matter proceed to court, you can be assured that these issues will be brought to the court’s attention, alongside a robust defence and potentially a counterclaim for unreasonable conduct.

Yours faithfully,


[YOUR NAME]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Notice of Debt Recovery
« Reply #26 on: »
Thank you B789

For providing me with the template response to send.  I will this right away and keep you updated.

Once again I really appreciate the quick response.  Thank you also to jfollows for your reply to my post.


Re: Notice of Debt Recovery
« Reply #27 on: »
Hi

Following my template response to the LOC, I have now received a reply from DBCL Legal today. I am having trouble posting the response as an attachment despite saving as pdf however so I have done a copy and paste below.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2025, 12:06:04 am by Ejc »

Re: Notice of Debt Recovery
« Reply #28 on: »
We write in response to your correspondence received in our office on 12
th March 2025.
The sum added is a contribution to the actual costs incurred by our Client as a result of your non-payment. Our
Client’s employees have spent time and material attempting to recover the debt. This is not our Client’s usual
business and the resources could have been better spent in other areas of the business. Had you of paid as per
the Contract, there would have been no need for recovery action so the amount due would not have increased.
Please note, the HMRC ‘VAT Supply and Consideration manual’ (VATSC06140), which was last updated on 02
September 2020, confirmed that Parking Charges fall out of the scope of VAT.
You now have 30 days from the date of this email to make payment of the outstanding balance of
£170.00. Failure to make payment will result in a Claim being issued against you without any further reference.
Payment can be made via bank transfer to our designated client account: -
Account Name: DCB Legal Ltd Client Account
Sort Code: 20-24-09
Account Number: 60964441
You must quote the correct case reference (101473.304068D) when making payment. If you do not, we may be
unable to correctly allocate the payment. If further action is taken by us as a result of an incorrect reference being
quoted, you will be liable for any further fees or costs incurred.
Alternatively, you can contact DCB Legal Ltd on 0203 838 7038 to make payment over the telephone or online
at https://dcblegal.co.uk/response/pay-online/.
Kind Regards,

DCB Legal Ltd
Tel: 0203 838 7038 | DX 23457 Runcorn
dcblegal.co.uk | Twitter | Linkedin | Facebook
« Last Edit: April 02, 2025, 12:04:40 am by Ejc »

Re: Notice of Debt Recovery
« Reply #29 on: »
They have not answered the questions about VAT on the fake debt recovery charges which means they are avoiding paying VAT. Now you report them to HMRC for suspected VAT fraud. Takes a few minutes online:

https://www.gov.uk/report-tax-fraud
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain