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PCN – Euro Car Parks – Shoreditch High Street
« on: April 22, 2025, 01:43:54 pm »
Hi all,

I received a notice to keeper this morning as the driver of my vehicle briefly parked in a euro car park on Shoreditch High Street.

They said it took a bit of time to park as the spaces were quite tight and didn't realise until they got out that it was a cashless car park. The app was not loading on their phone so went decided to get back into the vehicle and leave to park elsewhere. According to Euro Car Parks this took 14 minutes from entry to exit.

Here are images of both sides of the PCN / NTK
https://imgur.com/a/qD7mgNn

and a link to the google street view of the car park – unfortunately, we do not live in the area and cannot get any better photos.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Shoreditch,+London/@51.5249874,-0.0774588,3a,89.8y,313.83h,70.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sBbvvGCdgaMhDdVH1Kqo3qw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D19.683940941779184%26panoid%3DBbvvGCdgaMhDdVH1Kqo3qw%26yaw%3D313.8333731730183!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x48761ca4fbee1efd:0x799b6c9640d63bfd!8m2!3d51.5229106!4d-0.0777472!16zL20vMG5jM2g?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDQxNi4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

I am yet to appeal or take any action so any guidance is appreciated.

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Re: PCN – Euro Car Parks – Shoreditch High Street
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2025, 02:46:49 pm »
Easy one to deal with… as long as the unknown drivers identity is not revealed. There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. ECP has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. ECP have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

When they reject the appeal, come back and we'll advise further.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Re: PCN – Euro Car Parks – Shoreditch High Street
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2025, 03:02:15 pm »
Appreciate the quick response, I've appealed – annoyingly their appeal website only allows for around ~100 words, so I had to attach a document with the full response and I just appealed with

"Please see attachment."

I'm sure they'll work it out! ;)

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Re: PCN – Euro Car Parks – Shoreditch High Street
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2025, 04:27:16 pm »
There's been a response, it was rejected unsurprisingly –

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Date: 12/05/2025
Our Ref: XXXX
Unique POPLA Verification Code: XXXXX
Dear Mr XXXX,
Thank you for your letter of appeal. The details of the Parking Charge Notice are as follows:
Parking Charge Notice Number: XXXX
Date of Issue: 06/04/2025
Vehicle Registration Mark: XXXX
Time of Issue: 10:37:15
The Site: Shoreditch High Street - London
Breach of Terms and Conditions:
No valid pay and display/permit was  purchased



Having carefully considered the supporting evidence provided by you, Euro Car Parks (ECP) have  decided to reject your appeal for the following reasons:
• The Site is operated by Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) system. ANPR  cameras have captured an image of the vehicle registration mark LL13RNA entering and  leaving The Site and calculated the duration of stay. 
• When purchasing a pay and display ticket or mobile payment session, payment is required for  the full duration of your stay and for the full and correct vehicle registration mark. Signage at  the site clearly details the terms and conditions that you must adhere to. 
• After checking the providers mobile payment and/or pay and display machine audit reports for  your stay there are no transactions for the vehicle registration mark.
• Euro Car Parks do not need to provide evidence of who was driving the vehicle, it is the  registered keeper’s responsibility to inform of the full name and address within 28 days  beginning with the day after the notice was given. If the full amount remains unpaid, under  Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (‘the Act’), Euro Car Parks have the right  subject of the Act to recover from the keeper of the vehicle at the time it was parked so much  of that amount which remains unpaid, therefore, the notice was issued correctly and remains  payable.
• if you were not the driveR, please provide a UK serviceable address with full name of the  driver to col@eurocarparks.com , in order to process a change of liability on your behalf. If  such information will not be provided, the notice will remain payable with you as Registered  Keeper.
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• Any form of parking ticket or ‘notice’ is issued under the law ‘of trespass and Contract Law’. A  driver who is invited (or chooses) to park on private land and use the car parking facilities and  pays a fee/s does so under a contract (signage) with the car park operator. The parking  contract sets out the terms that apply to the parking service, including the price. 
• The contract (signage) clearly states the extra charges are that the driver will incur and have  to pay if they decide to break the contract terms − for example, by parking longer than the  time paid for or exceeding the maximum time limit applicable.
The parking charge notice has been issued correctly and remains payable. 
Please use one of the following options below to make payment for the amount of £60.00: 1. Online: By visiting https://www.eurocarparks.com/pay-a-parking-charge/
1. Phone: Use the automated telephone service 0203 553 4559.
2. Post: Make your cheque payable to Euro Car Parks Limited (include a £2.50 handling charge  for cheque processing) and post to Euro Car Parks Ltd, 30 Dorset Square, London, NW1  6QJ, quoting the PCN number on the reverse of the cheque.
The parking charge notice will be held for 14 days from the date of this letter to allow time to make  payment. 
You have now reached the end of our internal appeals procedure.
You can make an appeal to the Independent Appeals Service, POPLA (Parking on Private Land  Appeals) using the unique POPLA Reference code provided above. Please note, should you decide  to appeal to POPLA, or if you appeal to POPLA and your appeal is subsequently rejected, the option  to pay the discounted amount will no longer be available and the Full Amount of the PCN will be due.
Please note - if the parking charge notice was issued in Scotland and or Northern Ireland, only “The  Driver” can appeal to POPLA. 
If you decide to appeal to POPLA, you will need to visit the website, www.popla.co.uk where further  details of how to appeal (either online or by downloading the relevant forms) can be found. If the  driver is unable to access the website, please use the contact us page at 
https://www.popla.co.uk/contact. Please ensure that the POPLA Reference Number as noted above is  quoted on all correspondence to POPLA. You have 28 days from the date of this letter to submit an  appeal to POPLA. If you appeal to POPLA, the parking charge notice will be placed on hold.
Appeals may not be accepted if payment is made against the Parking Charge Notice, including any  appeals logged via POPLA.
If you choose to ignore this letter, we will seek to recover the outstanding amount owed to us through  the debt recovery process and procedure, this may lead to court action against you.
By law, we are also required to inform you that the Ombudsman Services (www.ombudsman services.org) provides an alternative dispute resolution service that would be able to assist with your  appeal. Please note, we have not chosen to participate in their dispute resolution service and as such,  should you wish to appeal then you must do so to POPLA, as detailed above.
Yours sincerely

PCN Coordinator
Parking Charge Notice Department
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https://imgur.com/a/oNrnJUs

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Re: PCN – Euro Car Parks – Shoreditch High Street
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2025, 10:52:59 am »
Hey katmatt,

Any update on this? I've got the same PCN and wrote a similar response and they rejected my appeal too.

I'm not sure what to do next at this stage, either escalate to POPLA or just sit and wait?

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Re: PCN – Euro Car Parks – Shoreditch High Street
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2025, 10:55:10 am »
Please start your own thread, mintnorio20, we can’t cope with multiple cases on one thread. You will then get advice on the new thread.
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Re: PCN – Euro Car Parks – Shoreditch High Street
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2025, 09:20:11 am »
This slipped my mind and I've yet to submit an appeal, is there any advise based on their response?

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Re: PCN – Euro Car Parks – Shoreditch High Street
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2025, 09:42:32 am »
It's up to you whether you bother with a POPLA appeal. In this case, I wouldn't bother and justly the process drag on to the inevitable Letter of Claim (LoC), N1SDT Claim Form and, if you follow all the advice, an eventual strike out or discontinuation.

Come back when you receive an LoC from DCB Legal and we will advise on the response.

Others may suggest you try POPLA, for what it's worth. I'll leave it to them to provide advice and suggestions for that.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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