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Emil

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I just came across this thread. It might be useful to know that the faded sign is attached to a building that is not part of the St Anne's Quarter development, and may refer to the area around the edge of Dragon Hall, King Street. The Orbit visitor parking area, and another nearby has clear signage displayed. Two yellow signs can be seen on the blue hoardings in the photo provided by the OP.

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Hi All

A quick update on this one.  I've received a couple of the usual chaser letters from BW Legal followed, today, by the below 'Letter of Claim':






The enclosures are pretty pro-forma - an 'Information Sheet' written in the third-person to give the impression of independent advice, a 'Reply Form' written in the same way, and a BW Legal-branded 'Income & Expenditure Form' - all designed, one assumes, to give the impression of legitimacy to the current charade.

Two questions arise from this:

Does the 'Letter of Claim' meet the standard as required by the pre-action protocol?

For those with experience of BW Legal - how often do they tend to follow through on their threats of legal action?

Thanks!

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The LoC is not fully compliant in that it does not explain how the original charge of £100 has now become £160.

Respond to it, any time before 16th January with the following:

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Dear Sirs,

Re: Letter of Claim dated 17th December 2024

I refer to your Letter of Claim.

I confirm that my address for service at this time is as follows, and I request that any outdated address be erased from your records to ensure compliance with data protection obligations:

[YOUR ADDRESS]

Please note that the alleged debt is disputed, and any court proceedings will be robustly defended.

I note that the sum claimed has been increased by an excessive and unjustifiable amount, which appears contrary to the principles established by the Government, who described such practices as “extorting money from motorists.” Please refrain from sending boilerplate responses or justifications regarding this issue.

Under the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims, I require specific answers to the following questions:

1. Does the additional £60 represent what you describe as a “Debt Recovery” fee? If so, is this figure net of or inclusive of VAT? If inclusive, I trust you will explain why I, as the alleged debtor, am being asked to cover your client’s VAT liability.

2. Regarding the principal sum of the alleged Parking Charge Notice (PCN), is this being claimed as damages for breach of contract, or will it be pleaded as consideration for a purported parking contract?

I would caution you against simply dismissing these questions with vague or boilerplate responses, as I am fully aware of the implications. By claiming that PCNs are exempt from VAT while simultaneously inflating the debt recovery element, your client – with your assistance – appears to be evading VAT obligations due to HMRC. Such mendacious conduct raises serious questions about the legality and ethics of your and your clients practices.

I strongly advise your client to cease and desist. Should this matter proceed to court, you can be assured that these issues will be brought to the court’s attention, alongside a robust defence and potentially a counterclaim for unreasonable conduct.

Yours faithfully,


[YOUR NAME]
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Thanks b789, I emailed them your recommended communication, and received the below response:

"Good Afternoon

We write with regards to the above matter and your contact email received.

Please find the attached zip file, containing photographs of your vehicle, parked without authorisation during the contravention, as well as the Notice to Keeper issued by our Client.

Please note that Debt recovery costs are contractually agreed by the motorist when visiting the car park.  They only apply when the opportunity to pay the parking charge has expired and the parking company has been forced to commence debt recovery activities.  Such contractual costs are recognised by the courts as covering debt recovery activity between the expiry of the parking charge notice and the commencement of litigation, including pre-litigation correspondence.

The fees we charge our clients for our services are subject to VAT.  However, these are separate and distinct from contractual debt recovery costs recoverable by our client from the motorist.

We must also note that this would not negate the Parking Charge issued to you, as your vehicle was not authorised to park in-situ, as no valid permit or virtual permit was found by the Parking Attendant at the time of the contravention, nor any permit displayed in the windscreen of the vehicle.

In regards to your second point, The Charge you have been issued with represents the breach of a core term within the parking contract which was formed when your vehicle entered and remained on private land in excess of the grace period and subsequently breached when your vehicle parked without authorisation. Furthermore, in 2015, the Supreme Court case of ParkingEye v Beavis confirmed that the parking charge was not about loss, but a legitimate charge to deter motorists from breaching the contract under which they are permitted to use the car park.

Please be advised, we hold photographic evidence of the PCN affixed to your vehicle on the date of contravention, and have attached it to the email, showing it was issued correctly, and it can be assumed you received the PCN as a result. If an unauthorised third party removed this PCN from the vehicle after it was issued, this is no fault of our Client's.

We would further note that the vehicle was parked directly beside our Client’s clear signage, making motorists aware of the contractual agreement and charges entered by entering and/or remaining on the land.

We trust this clarifies the matter.

Should you have any further enquiries, please use the below methods of communication."

Looks like a mix of boilerplate, and responses to the specific points that you recommended that I make.

Any particular thoughts? Or is now the time to sit tight and see if a court form arrives?

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Boilerplate response but you may as well have a bit of fun with them by responding with the following:

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Dear Sirs,

Re: Your Response to My Letter of 17th December 2024

I acknowledge receipt of your email and attached documents. However, your response does not adequately address the points raised in my previous correspondence. I will reiterate and expand on my concerns below.

1. Debt Recovery Costs

You claim that the £60 "debt recovery" fee is contractually agreed upon when entering the car park. This is categorically disputed.

Lack of Contractual Basis: The signage at the location forms the basis of any purported contract. If the £60 debt recovery fee is not explicitly mentioned on the sign, it cannot be considered part of the terms agreed upon by motorists. Please provide photographic evidence of the exact signage in place at the time of the alleged contravention, showing that it clearly states this additional fee as part of the terms.

Consumer Rights Act 2015: Even if such a charge were mentioned (which is denied), any term imposing an arbitrary £60 penalty would likely be deemed an unfair contract term and unenforceable.

VAT Clarification: While you assert that your VAT-liable services are distinct, this does not explain how the £60 is calculated or why it should be recoverable from the motorist. Provide a clear breakdown of this charge and its VAT treatment.

Without evidence that the £60 charge was explicitly agreed upon and prominently displayed on the signage, this fee is unenforceable.

2. Nature of the Alleged Parking Charge

Your response suggests the parking charge is for breach of contract, yet you have also implied it is a contractual fee. This inconsistency is misleading. Please clarify:

• Was the parking charge issued as damages for a breach of contract or as a fee for a contractual service?

• If it is for breach of contract, provide evidence of how the charge is a legitimate reflection of the breach. If it is a fee, explain how the “core terms” of the contract were agreed upon by a motorist who neither parked nor authorised any contractual agreement.

3. Signage and Contractual Clarity

You assert that the vehicle was parked directly beside your client’s signage, making the terms of the contract clear. However, proximity to a sign does not necessarily equate to an acceptance of its terms, especially if the sign is unclear, ambiguous, or fails to meet legal and regulatory standards.

I require the following evidence to properly assess the validity of your claim:

Photographs of the Signage: Clear, timestamped photographs of the specific sign next to which the vehicle was parked. These should demonstrate the content, visibility, and clarity of the sign, including any relevant lighting or obstructions present at the time of the alleged contravention.

Compliance with the IPC Code of Practice: Evidence that the signage complies with the International Parking Community (IPC) Code of Practice, specifically regarding font size, contrast, placement, and visibility.

Reference to Additional Charges: If you assert that the £60 debt recovery fee is enforceable, you must provide evidence that this charge was clearly displayed on the sign. Any terms not prominently displayed cannot form part of a purported contract.

Simply parking near a sign does not amount to unequivocal acceptance of its terms, particularly if those terms are unclear, inconspicuous, or inconsistent with regulatory standards. If the sign failed to make the terms of the alleged contract clear, any claim of breach is invalid.

4. NtK and NtD Non-Compliance with PoFA

As the Registered Keeper responding to this Letter of Claim, I note that both the Notice to Driver (NtD) and the Notice to Keeper (NtK) fail to comply with the statutory requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA). Specifically, they do not meet the requirement to "specify the period of parking" as mandated by paragraphs 7(2)(a) (NtD) and 8(2)(a) (NtK).

Failure to Specify "Period of Parking"

• The NtD and NtK both provide only a single timestamp of 0948, which does not constitute a "period of parking" as required under PoFA. A single timestamp merely indicates the vehicle’s presence at a specific moment in time but does not demonstrate that the vehicle was parked for a "period," as defined by law.

• PoFA explicitly requires the notice to specify "the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked, and the period of parking to which the notice relates." Without a defined period, the notices fail to establish any alleged contravention.

Relevance of "Unauthorised Parking"

• Even in cases of "unauthorised parking," PoFA mandates that the notice must "specify the period of parking." The term "parking" inherently implies a duration of time during which the vehicle was stationary. A single timestamp, such as 0948, does not substantiate the alleged contravention or demonstrate that the vehicle was parked without authorisation for any specific period.

• Without specifying a period of parking, it is impossible to determine whether the alleged breach occurred or whether the vehicle was legitimately stationary for a reasonable duration, such as to read unclear signage.

Non-Compliance Undermines Keeper Liability

As liability under PoFA depends on strict compliance with its requirements, the failure to specify a period of parking in both the NtD and NtK means that your client cannot transfer liability to the registered keeper. Any further attempts to pursue the alleged debt against me as the Keeper are baseless and constitute unreasonable behaviour.

5. Misapplication of the Beavis Case

It is astonishing that your client and yourselves, their bulk-litigation representative, continue to refer to ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] as though it is some kind of universal panacea that legitimises all parking charge notices (PCNs), regardless of the specific facts of the case or the legal framework. This misuse of the Beavis precedent demonstrates an embarrassing lack of understanding of its scope and applicability.

Fundamental Differences Between This Case and Beavis

The circumstances of Beavis involved a free retail car park with clear and prominent signage, where the charge was deemed commercially justified as a deterrent to overstaying. Key factors considered by the Supreme Court included:

• The clear and prominent nature of the signage.

• The legitimate interest of the landowner in managing parking for commercial benefit.

• The absence of terms or charges that were disproportionate or extravagant.

In stark contrast:

1. The alleged contravention in this case involves "unauthorised parking," not overstaying in a free car park. The Beavis principles do not automatically apply.

2. The signage relied upon by your client has not been demonstrated to meet the same standard of clarity and prominence as in Beavis.

3. Your client seeks to impose an additional £60 "debt recovery" charge that was not mentioned in Beavis and appears to be an arbitrary penalty, inconsistent with the Consumer Rights Act 2015.

Irrelevance of Beavis to This Matter

Your attempt to rely on Beavis without addressing these fundamental differences only serves to undermine your position and highlights the flawed nature of your claim. To treat Beavis as a one-size-fits-all justification for PCNs shows an alarming disregard for the nuances of contract law and the specific circumstances required for the Beavis principles to apply.

Conclusion on Misapplication

The reference to Beavis in this case does not strengthen your client’s claim—it weakens it by drawing attention to the significant deficiencies in their approach. Should this matter proceed to court, I will not hesitate to bring your client’s misuse of Beavis to the court's attention as evidence of poor litigation practice and a lack of legal understanding.

6. Data Protection and Address for Service

You have failed to confirm that any outdated address has been erased from your records in compliance with data protection obligations. I repeat my request for confirmation that my current address for service is the only one held on file.

Conclusion

Your response has failed to justify the alleged debt or meaningfully address the serious concerns I raised, particularly regarding the lack of compliance with PoFA, the absence of a contractual basis for additional charges, and the misapplication of legal precedent. I maintain that the alleged debt is disputed, and should you proceed with legal action, I will robustly defend the claim, highlighting your client’s unreasonable and potentially unlawful conduct.

I remind you of your obligations under the Overriding Objective and the Pre-Action Protocols to avoid unnecessary court proceedings. Should you continue to provide inadequate responses or pursue this baseless claim, I will ensure that your client’s conduct and misuse of legal processes are brought to the court’s attention.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
« Last Edit: December 27, 2024, 09:01:05 pm by b789 »
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Boilerplate response but you may as well have a bit of fun with them by responding with the following:

Thanks b789 - I've sent that off this afternoon.

Given that the non-compliance with PoFA would appear to render a non-starter any court claim lodged by them, is there any mileage in a shot across the bows saying something along the lines of if they decide to enter into legal proceedings, despite having been made aware of the fatal flaw to their position, I shall reserve the right to seek a costs order, given the outright unreasonableness of their conduct?

Cheers!

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You don't have to tell them. You have that right anyway.

Irrespective, they are going to issue a claim anyway. Just be patient.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain