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Hi all,

I think I've dropped the ball on this one. It was a PCN received by registered keeper in February which I posted about in MSE forum. The appeal to NPE was rejected and for some reason I didnt bother with IAS and ignored the subsequent letters with the hope they wouldnt drag to court.

I've now received the Letter before action.
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Is there anything to be done at this stage or shall I accept defeat? I don't have any of the past letters anymore.

Any advice would be appreciated. I am unable to login to MSE currently - I'm not sure if forum is down but will keep trying and post on the original post too.   



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Hi all,

The registered keeper received this PCN for “not parked in a marked parking bay” for 3 minutes 52 seconds.

Just a bit of background: a day after the Turkey/Syria earthquake, the driver received an appeal of donations for the victims that would be cargoed from ICMG- building adjacent to where car is parked. The driver was confused and looking for an entrance to the building and needed to stop there to figure out where that was. Soon enough driver figured out that the car park was the one next to this road and left. The driver saw one of the parking signs but it wasn’t visible enough to be read from the car and it looked like it was for the parking spots rather than the road.

The IPS code of conduct states 10 minute grace period.

I just want to check that I should appeal (for purposes of court proceeding in future) stating the grace period was not followed? I will include the background story not stating who the driver is. Any other advice on what to Else to include to make the court stage easier would be appreciated. I will the await the rejection and wait the 6 years 😅. Thank you all in advance.

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IPC code of conduct:
13 Consideration and Grace Periods on Private Land
13.1 Motorists must be allowed a sufficient Consideration Period so they may make
an informed decision as to whether or not to enter or remain on the Private Land. If a Motorist chooses to reject the opportunity by entering or remaining on the Private Land without reading terms and conditions, they may be deemed to have accepted them immediately.
13.2 Before a Parking Charge is issued Motorists must be allowed a Grace Period save and except when 13.3 is applicable. A Grace Period is a 10 minute period at the end of a Permitted Period of Parking.

13.3 A Grace Period is not required when the Permitted Period of Parking does not exceed 1 hour providing that the signage on the site makes it clear to the Motorist, in a prominent font, that no Grace Period applies on that land.

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Re: National Parking Enforcement LBA - Library Court, N17
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I think I've dropped the ball on this one. It was a PCN received by registered keeper in February which I posted about in MSE forum. The appeal to NPE was rejected and for some reason I didnt bother with IAS and ignored the subsequent letters with the hope they wouldnt drag to court.
I don't think you have been particularly disadvantaged by not appealing to the IAS - they're unlikely to have sided with you anyway (they seldom do).

As CouponMad noted on your MSE thread, it's not the grace period at the end of a parking session that matters here (as your position is that the driver did not park), but rather the consideration period. CouponMad is mistaken about the consideration period being 5 minutes - it's 5 minutes in the BPA code of practice, but no time is specified in the IPC code, only that a 'sufficient' one must be offered. That said, neither Code of Practice is law, and 3 minutes 52 seconds is clearly not long. Your position here seems to be that the driver decided not to accept the terms of parking on offer and left.

You would be wise to get some of your own photos of the site, including entrance signs, any signage around where the vehicle was parked, and some close-ups showing the terms and conditions. The ones you've shown us from Google appear to be out of date, it is a different parking company to the one who is pursuing you.

With regards to the Letter Before Action - it would be wise to respond to this. If you're planning to fight the charge in court, then the response should briefly set out your reasons why nothing is owed. If you're able to get the photos mentioned above ASAP before responding, this would be ideal, as they may give rise to further points of defence. Do feel free to share a draft before sending anything.

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Re: National Parking Enforcement LBA - Library Court, N17
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Thank you DWMB2. I have managed to revisit and take photos. I hope they dont send me another "fine" but I parked in the bay and drove out within 2 minutes.


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Image Whats-App-Image-2023-10-27-at-10-03-23-PM in the NPE N17 album
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Image Whats-App-Image-2023-10-27-at-10-03-22-PM-1 in the NPE N17 album
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I will spend the weekend reading up on LBAs as I dont think I've had to do one of these yet and then I will write up a draft for consideration here. Thank you in advance for your help.

Re: National Parking Enforcement LBA - Library Court, N17
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Given they previously issued a charge for a stay of 3 mins 52 seconds, choosing to park there on your visit to acquire photos seems rather unwise... You may well get another charge.

I'll take a proper look at the photos etc. Over the weekend.
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