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Re: CN - NTK- Stopping in a Zone- Bristol Airport
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Thank you so much b789 this is exactly the steer I needed. I honestly couldn't believe it when I saw their drop down list. I appreciate the email address too, and your time in adapting the wording due to this drop down malarkey. It is appreciated. I'll let you know as soon as I get a response.

Re: CN - NTK- Stopping in a Zone- Bristol Airport
« Reply #16 on: »
Morning Everyone,

I hope you are all keeping well.

Having sent my appeal email this is the response I received today. So in other words they will not allow me to appeal via email, and as we all know the online has a drop down list which frankly is worded for entrapment, so whatever option you choose, they can say well this doesn’t warrant an appeal.

Recently as well on a separate issue I was stung by my long standing Insurance company who sent an assessor out to look at our main house water leak and he spotted I have a therapy shed in the garden. One thing led to another and I got cancelled. It was quite stressful and I don’t particularly want more threats with this parking outfit, but any advice from you lovely folk is always very much appreciated, the deadline is tomorrow and I am tempted to pay the reduced rate, but they may now not accept that as I have put an appeal email, but then as you see below they aren’t accepting it via email.

Curious too at the footer it says Excel Parking Services?



Dear Sir/Madam

This is an automated acknowledgement to your CORRESPONDENCE regarding either a MyParkingCharge notification or Parking Charge Notice.

If you are contacting us relating to an appeal regarding a document titled 'MyParkingCharge' (MPC) issued to a vehicle or, a Parking Charge Notice/Charge Notice issued through the post where and the Serial No. commences with VCS or EPS, or commences CS and the date of the contravention is on or after 13-Dec-2016, it is important that you follow the appeal procedure set out on the notification you have received. Where the appeal procedure makes reference to www.myparkingcharge.co.uk it is important that you appeal via the website and follow the instructions online. We will not accept any correspondence regarding an appeal relating to the above via this email address.

Please note, you will need the Serial No. that commences with VCS, EPS or CS, as well as the Vehicle Registration Mark (VRM) to enable you to view the recorded details. Once entered, you will be able to view the information in connection with the recorded contravention.

If you decide to exercise your right to appeal, it must be submitted online at www.myparkingcharge.co.uk and following the instructions given.

If you are contacting us regarding a Notice where the Serial No. commences with VC or XL, or commences CS AND the date of the contravention is before 13-Dec-2016, you MUST ensure the following information is disclosed in order for your correspondence to be processsed.

1. As applicable, either the driver’s or the keeper’s name (including Title, Forename and Surname) and their full serviceable postal address.
2. If you are appealing on behalf of the driver or the keeper, you must include a written statement signed by the driver or keeper confirming that you are authorised to act on their behalf together with your name and full postal address.
3. Full details of the reason for your appeal/challenge and mitigating circumstances along with any supporting information/evidence.
If you have already provided all relevant information, then please accept our apologies and ignore this email, as we will be dealing with your appeal/challenge and notification of the outcome will be sent to you in the timeframe specified in the Notice you received.

Important Notes:

a) We will be responding to you within the timeframe specified on the Notice you have received, subject to the points listed below.
b) If you are appealing a PCN, which was affixed to your vehicle and you have not provided the information stated above, it may be necessary for us to contact the DVLA for details of the vehicle keeper in order that we can establish the identity of the driver.
c) In order to retain the option of the discounted payment amount (should your appeal be unsuccessful), your appeal must be received by the Central Payments Office no      later than 14 days from the Issue Date of this Notice.
d) If your appeal has not been received within the timescales set out on the Notice, it will be deemed out of time and as such declined UNLESS there are exceptional mitigating circumstances AND only at the company’s discretion.
e) Upon receipt of the required information we will place the NOTICE on hold while the circumstances surrounding the issue of the NOTICE are investigated.
f) Where applicable, we will advise you in writing of any further course of action you should take, as deemed necessary to support your appeal/challenge. Should we require longer to deal with the matter than the timeframes set on the Notice you have received, we will write to inform you of this within the timescale specified on the Notice along with a date/timeframe by which we expect to confirm our decision.
g) If you have already received a response from us informing you that your appeal had been unsuccessful, we will NOT respond to any further correspondence from you. Our letter would have informed you that our decision was final. As such, please disregard the information/requests referred to in the previous paragraphs of this email.

Thank you for your co-operation.
Central Processing Office


This communication is only for the use of the addressee. It may contain information which is legally privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient you must not read, copy, distribute or disseminate this communication or any attachments to anyone other than the addressee or use the information it contains. If you receive this communication in error, please inform us by replying to this e-mail. No responsibility is accepted by Excel Parking Services Ltd. for personal e-mails, or e-mails unconnected with the firm's business.


Re: CN - NTK- Stopping in a Zone- Bristol Airport
« Reply #17 on: »
Has the drivers identity been admitted? If not, why on earth would you pay a speculative invoice from an unregulated private parking company for an alleged breach of contract by the driver (who is unknown to them)?

Do you not understand that because the alleged contravention is on land that is not relevant for the purposes of PoFA, they cannot pursue the Keeper. They can only pursue the driver and as long as the driver has not been identified, they have absolutely nowhere to go with this. They are simply hoping that you are low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree who can be intimidated into paying up out of ignorance and fear.

You can bet that if/when they try to litigate this, they will eventually have their case struck out or will discontinue. They only go that far in the hope you are gullible enough to pay up.

The law is very clear. There is no legal obligation on the Keeper to identify a driver to the an unregulated private parking firm. They can't assume or infer that the Keeper must be the driver. There is very persuasive appellate case law that clarifies that without evidence of the drivers identity, there can be no case to answer for the Keeper.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: CN - NTK- Stopping in a Zone- Bristol Airport
« Reply #18 on: »
B789 thank you so much. I also received feedback from the customer relations team at Bristol Airport who liased this case with VCS Ltd. There response was, 'we are parked on red lines, not far from a no stopping sign' which states that any contravention of this incurs the £100 charge.
VCS Ltd refuse to allow me to email. Although I have sent litigation an email too.
They seem to think they don't have to charge the driver, just show the court evidence we are parked on red lines near a stop sign.

Re: CN - NTK- Stopping in a Zone- Bristol Airport
« Reply #19 on: »
How much authority in law do you imagine if I stick a sign up that says you must pay me £100 if you park within 100m of this sign on a Tuesday and your car is not red in colour, I would have? Who cars what the 'customer relations' team at Bristol Airport have to say? They are not fully aware of the legalities of contractual signage and airport byelaws for Keeper liability.

I can tell you that they would not let this go near an actual hearing in front of a judge. They do not have a legal leg to stand on if you are following our advice.

I don't want to be repetitive but I have already told you that they rely on your gullibility, fear and ignorance of the law and your rights to try and intimidate you into paying up. You should not and be prepared to call their bluff and let them issue their claim, which has a less than 0.1% of succeeding.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: CN - NTK- Stopping in a Zone- Bristol Airport
« Reply #20 on: »
FYI, here is a successful defence with costs awarded against VCS for exactly the same allegation:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6635565/bristol-airport-no-stopping-fine-case-success-and-724-cost-dcb-legal/p1
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: CN - NTK- Stopping in a Zone- Bristol Airport
« Reply #21 on: »
This one is also very good as the OP goes to great lengths to explain the various processes which he or she goes through;


https://nationalconsumerservice.co.uk/topic/468850-vcs-cnntk-appealed-paploc-now-claimform-no-stopping-bristol-airport-claim-dismissed/#comments