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Re: MacDonald's Leytonstone PCN for leaving premises
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2025, 07:52:40 pm »







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Re: MacDonald's Leytonstone PCN for leaving premises
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2025, 08:06:26 pm »
Aside from it being nonsense, the "site survey" lists a time of 17:54, that's 6 minutes after they photographed the vehicle. There's no evidence provided that the vehicle was still present at the time the apparent check was done.

For all we know, the reason the driver wasn't present when the check was done could be because they'd already left.
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Re: MacDonald's Leytonstone PCN for leaving premises
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2025, 08:55:55 pm »
The timestamps (18:59:46–18:59:59) prove that the “survey” was finalised and photographed at the end of the shift, not at the time of the alleged contravention. The listed 17:54 “check” is uncorroborated and likely inserted after the fact.

The McDonald’s staff signature is redacted, no contemporaneous observation, and no proof that the driver was not inside the restaurant.
Therefore, MET’s “survey” is manufactured administrative paperwork, not evidence.

It fails to establish that a breach occurred, who committed it, or that the vehicle was even present at the alleged check time.

I would also question why this is most likely illegal and certainly unacceptable:

1. Privacy law: Toilets are the most private places in any venue. Checking who is inside amounts to monitoring. Under UK GDPR, any monitoring must be necessary and proportionate. Enforcing a private parking rule in a free car park is not a good enough reason. It fails the necessity and proportionality tests.
2. Fairness and notice: No normal customer expects that a company might look for them in the toilets to enforce a parking term. There is no fair warning or transparent notice that such checks could happen.
3. Safeguarding: Toilets are used by children and vulnerable adults. “Checking” who is inside risks harassment and raises obvious safeguarding red flags.
4. Responsibility: If McDonald’s staff assist, McDonald’s can be responsible for what their agent does. A reputable brand should not endorse toilet checks to chase £100 invoices.

Why the rule itself is nonsense in contract terms:

1. Only the driver contracts. Passengers (called “occupants”) never agreed to any parking terms, so they cannot breach them.
2. The keeper can only be pursued for the driver’s actions if the operator’s paperwork is fully compliant. You cannot fine the keeper because a passenger walked somewhere.
3. Proof is missing. A photo of a parked car and a tick-box “survey” does not prove the driver left the site, nor that the car was still there when the “check” happened.
4. No clear boundary. Signs saying “remain on the premises” do not define where the premises start or end, or warn where crossing a line becomes a £100 event. If you cannot tell where the rule bites, it is not a fair or enforceable term.

Safeguarding example that shows how intrusive this is:

Imagine a vulnerable child is an occupant of the vehicle. The parent allows the child to use the toilet. A stranger employed by the parking company decides to “check” the toilets to see if the driver is on the premises. The parent has no idea who this person is, what training they have, or whether they are safe to be around children. For all the parent knows, the person could be someone with a concerning background. The idea that an unknown adult is searching the toilets at McDonald’s for “occupants” so they can issue a £100 invoice is exactly the sort of behaviour privacy and safeguarding rules are meant to prevent. Ordinary people would find this shocking.

I would send the following formal complaint to McDonalds and I would definitely contact the media to expose this clear breach of privacy:

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Subject: Formal Complaint – Intrusive and Unlawful Conduct by MET Parking Services Acting as McDonald’s Agent

Dear Sir or Madam,

I am making a formal complaint regarding an extremely disturbing practice carried out by your appointed parking contractor, MET Parking Services Ltd (“MET”), at your Leytonstone branch.

I am in possession of a copy of MET’s so-called “Driver & Vehicle Site Presence Survey”, produced as evidence in response to a parking appeal. The document openly records that MET’s operative and McDonald’s staff “checked male/female/disabled toilets” in order to determine whether a vehicle’s occupants had “left the premises”.

This raises grave concerns about (a) the lawfulness of these actions, (b) breaches of privacy and decency, and (c) McDonald’s complicity in authorising such practices.

1. Unlawful and intrusive conduct
No private parking contractor has any lawful authority or legitimate purpose to enter or monitor customer toilets to verify the presence of a vehicle’s occupants. Toilets are among the most private areas of any premises and are subject to heightened privacy expectations and safeguarding considerations. Entering or checking toilets to look for members of the public constitutes a serious intrusion into private life, contrary to Article 8 ECHR and the principles of the UK GDPR.

2. Vicarious liability and agency
McDonald’s, as the principal, is fully responsible for the conduct of its agent MET Parking Services when acting on its behalf. If McDonald’s staff have assisted MET operatives in performing these intrusive “checks”, that involvement amounts to corporate endorsement of potentially unlawful behaviour.

3. Breach of decency and safeguarding duties
Any practice involving the inspection of restrooms, especially those accessible to children and vulnerable adults, poses a serious safeguarding risk. Consider, for example, that the “occupant” of a vehicle might be a child. The idea that an unknown adult — possibly an unvetted contractor — could be entering or inspecting toilets to determine whether a child or their parent is “still on the premises” is appalling. No parent would consent to a stranger checking toilets while their child was inside. Such conduct risks violating basic safeguarding principles and public trust.

4. Illogical and misleading enforcement
Furthermore, the parking company’s policy of penalising “occupants leaving the premises” is fundamentally flawed. Only a driver can enter into a parking contract, and “occupants” (passengers) have no contractual obligations. Attempting to enforce penalties against a keeper or driver on the basis of a passenger’s movements is both irrational and legally unsound.

5. Intention to refer to regulatory and media bodies
I am now considering referring this matter to the Information Commissioner’s Office, the Health and Safety Executive, and the relevant local authority safeguarding board. I also reserve the right to highlight this publicly through the press and social media, as the public has a right to know if McDonald’s condones or enables such intrusive monitoring of its customers.

Required action
I require written confirmation within 14 days of:
1. What McDonald’s policy is on restroom monitoring or involvement in MET Parking’s so-called “presence checks”;
2. Whether McDonald’s authorises, trains, or permits its staff to assist MET operatives in checking toilets or any other private area; and
3. What action will now be taken to ensure this practice ceases immediately across all franchised and company-owned sites.

If I do not receive a substantive response, I will escalate this complaint formally to your Data Protection Officer and the ICO.

Yours faithfully,

[Full Name]
[Address / contact details]
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Re: MacDonald's Leytonstone PCN for leaving premises
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2025, 10:31:49 pm »
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Imagine a vulnerable child is an occupant of the vehicle. The parent allows the child to use the toilet. A stranger employed by the parking company decides to “check” the toilets to see if the driver is on the premises. The parent has no idea who this person is, what training they have, or whether they are safe to be around children. For all the parent knows, the person could be someone with a concerning background. The idea that an unknown adult is searching the toilets at McDonald’s for “occupants” so they can issue a £100 invoice is exactly the sort of behaviour privacy and safeguarding rules are meant to prevent. Ordinary people would find this shocking.
Absolutely!

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I would send the following formal complaint to McDonalds and I would definitely contact the media to expose this clear breach of privacy:

I am going to hand deliver to the Macdonald's manager and notify local media 👍
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Re: MacDonald's Leytonstone PCN for leaving premises
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2025, 02:30:18 am »
The formal complaint would also have to go to McDonald's head office here in the UK.
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Re: MacDonald's Leytonstone PCN for leaving premises
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2025, 12:50:52 pm »
Hand delivered to leytonstone McDonald's manager and posted "signed for" to head office.

Do I go to POPLA now?
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Re: MacDonald's Leytonstone PCN for leaving premises
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2025, 03:02:33 pm »
You can dump this on POPLA. You only appeal as the Keeper:

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Subject: POPLA Appeal – MET Parking Services – PCN [reference] – Vehicle [VRM] – McDonald’s Leytonstone – Alleged “occupants left premises”

I am the registered keeper of [VRM]. I appeal this charge. Liability is denied. The operator has not established that a contract was formed or breached, nor that keeper liability applies. The charge must be cancelled for the reasons below.

1. No evidence of breach – “occupants left premises” is unproven
The operator’s photos show only a stationary vehicle in a marked bay. There is no evidence that the driver left the premises. The operator relies on an internal “Driver & Vehicle Site Presence Survey” that merely records tick-boxes and assumptions. The survey provides no images of any person leaving, no witness statement from restaurant staff, and no contemporaneous log linking any identified driver to a supposed breach. “Occupants” are not identified; the term is vague and cannot support a charge.

2. The survey is not contemporaneous and is contradicted by its own timestamps
The operator’s bundle includes a “survey” sheet photographed at 18:59:46/18:59:59 on 29/09/2025, while the vehicle photograph is earlier. The survey lists an alleged check at 17:54, after the photo of the car. The operator has not proved the vehicle was still on site at 17:54, nor that any driver was absent at that time. A document photographed at the end of a shift is self-serving and cannot prove a real-time observation or a breach.

3. Undefined “premises” and absence of boundary definition
The only signs evidenced say variations of “For use by customers while on site only” and “Drivers and passengers must remain on the premises while the vehicle remains in the car park.” No plan, map, line, boundary, or marker is identified anywhere. Motorists are not told where “premises” begin or end, nor warned when crossing an undefined point becomes a £100 event. An uncertain, unmarked boundary cannot form part of a fair or enforceable contract. Any alleged breach dependent on undefined geography fails for uncertainty.

4. Signage fails requirements of clarity, prominence and transparency
The “remain on the premises” clause is embedded in dense text, not brought prominently to the driver’s attention before or at the point of parking. There is no signage positioned at any perimeter to warn users they are leaving “the premises”. The operator has not met the standards of clear communication required for contractual terms and for consumer fairness and transparency.

5. Only the driver could conceivably breach; “occupants” cannot bind the keeper
A parking contract, if any, is formed (if at all) by the driver when parking. Passengers (“occupants”) are not parties to any contract and cannot breach a parking term. The operator has not identified the driver. It is improper and illogical to issue a charge on the basis of what unidentified “occupants” allegedly did.

6. No keeper liability – Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 not met
The Notice to Keeper fails Schedule 4 paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) because it does not include the required invitation for the keeper to pay the charge; instead it demands payment from the driver. Where PoFA is not met in full, the operator cannot transfer liability from driver to keeper. As the operator has not identified the driver, and PoFA is not complied with, I (as keeper) cannot be held liable.

7. No evidence of landowner authority for “leaving site” enforcement
The operator is put to strict proof of a contemporaneous, unredacted contract with the true landholder (not merely a managing agent or franchisee) expressly authorising the issue and enforcement of charges for alleged “leaving the premises” incidents at this specific site, and authorising litigation. A witness statement or generic letter is insufficient.

8.Disproportionate and unfair term
Even if a term existed (which is denied), imposing £100 for an undefined “leaving the premises” allegation in a free customer car park is disproportionate and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss. It is an unfair term and fails basic fairness and transparency tests for consumer contracts.

9. Privacy and safeguarding – toilet “search” practices are intrusive and unacceptable
The operator’s paperwork refers to “checking male/female/disabled toilets” to decide whether a vehicle’s occupants have “left the premises”. Toilets are among the most private spaces and frequently used by children and vulnerable adults. A private parking contractor has no legitimate or proportionate reason to enter or monitor restrooms in order to enforce a parking rule. Any such practice is inherently intrusive, raises obvious safeguarding concerns, and cannot be relied upon as evidence of a breach. POPLA should give no weight to any allegation grounded on toilet “checks”. For the avoidance of doubt, the appropriateness and lawfulness of these practices have been raised with the relevant authorities. If POPLA were to endorse such material as probative, that decision will be referenced in any subsequent regulatory or media reports concerning these practices.

10. Burden of proof not discharged
The operator bears the burden to show a clear, prominently communicated contract; a clearly defined area; identified parties; a contemporaneous observation of breach; and full PoFA compliance if keeper liability is pursued. The evidence bundle does none of these things. Assumptions and a retrospective tick-sheet do not prove a breach by the driver, nor any keeper liability.

Conclusion
The operator has failed to prove a contractual breach by the driver, has not complied with PoFA to pursue the keeper, has offered no credible contemporaneous evidence, and relies on vague, undefined signage. The reliance on intrusive toilet “checks” underscores the unreliability and unacceptability of the operator’s methods. This charge is unsupported and must be cancelled.

I request that POPLA allow this appeal and direct MET Parking Services to cancel PCN [reference].

Name: [Keeper’s full name]
Address: [Keeper’s postal address]
Date: [date of submission]
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Re: MacDonald's Leytonstone PCN for leaving premises
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2025, 02:44:13 am »
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Re: MacDonald's Leytonstone PCN for leaving premises
« Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 06:02:22 pm »
Jade (McDonald’s Customer Services)

13 Nov 2025, 15:38 GMT

Good Afternoon,
 
Thank you for contacting the McDonald’s Customer Services Team.
 
Your reference number is 5470221
 
We just wanted to let you know our team are currently reviewing your feedback and we would be grateful if you could provide a copy of the document you mention in your correspondence so we can investigate accordingly.
 
 
We look forward to hearing from you.
 
Kind regards,
Jade
Customer Services Team

McDonald's UK Customer Services
11 - 59 High Road
East Finchley
London
N2 8AW

Kind regards
McDonald’s Customer Services Team