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I know I’ve already done the wrong thing and appealed to I park without getting advice!

I went to the doctors at the city walls Chester. I’ve been before and they have their own car park. I drove in and noticed the pay and display signs I drove through the car park to look for the GP parking. I stopped in a space near the exit thinking I might be in the wrong place. The car park is split in to 2 parts it was a bit confusing and i couldn’t drive round back towards the entrance where the doctors is so I stopped near the exit and went to look at the signs. I looked at the signs in the section I had stoped in it said pay and display. I walked down towards the gps to the first part of the car park there was a machine and more pay and display but there was no reference to the parking for the doctor surgery. I walked down and asked a couple of people but in the end I asked at the doctors and they said it’s recently been sold and was pay and display. I had no choice but to leave as I had come without a bag and had no means to pay. I thought The time I spent was so limited they would accept my appeal. They didn’t and said I left the site and thereby entered the contract and have sent a response with 25 cctv photos. They show me  and my car at various points during the time I was there. They are not in the correct time sequence, I can only read some time stamps but they show they are out of sequence, and i know the order of things was differed.

What is the chance of a successful appeal to the IAS.

Is there anything other than my original basis. I have messed up on the dates so only got a couple of days to appeal.


My appeal was this:

The parking arrangements at this site have very recently changed. I have parked here before and believed it to be the GP surgery Car park. I did not realise this was now a pay and display car park until entering the car par. I left my car in a bay and went to read the signs find out what the new parking conditions are. On reviewing the terms of the parking I was unable to agree to them. I returned to my car and left the car park within 8 minutes of arriving, this was the time it took me to review the terms and decide not to use the parking facility. I would request you cancel the penalty charge giving me the grace of this short amount of time I took to review and reject the parking terms.Kindest regards

Original notice

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yxrR20g1Ng7kRvz4unhtTJBEdSzmWNVN/view?usp=drivesdk

Appeal response

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E36z_F_XYuRANOQzYhXpfby53kGi81oA/view?usp=drivesdk

Thank you
« Last Edit: June 09, 2025, 09:04:59 pm by Kay006 »

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Re: Parking fine chester private car park
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Chance of an IAS successful appeal - tending towards nothing.

They uphold 4% of appeals only.

You parked for longer than their defined ‘grace period’ so they will deem that you entered into a contract with them for £100. Is what they will say.

For completeness, what exactly did you say in your appeal and in particular I guess you identified the driver in it by using words like “I” rather than “the driver” in it.

They just want your money.

PS more people will read what you wrote if you put line breaks and paragraph breaks in it.
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Not correct about "grace period". You exceeded the "consideration period" which is NOT the same as a "grace period"!

However, your assertion that they have images of "you" is irrelevant. They have no idea who the person is in those CCTV stills. They are not asserting that you left the site. They are simply alleging that the driver did not purchase a valid permit to park. You are dealing with a firm of ex-clamper thugs.

I have dealt with many cases involving IPark Services. If you follow the advice I give you, you will not be paying a penny to these bottom-dwelling scammers.

This will lead to a claim being made against you but is easily defended and will end in either a strike out or a discontinuation.

For now, submit the following appeal to the IAS. Irrespective of what you put in your original appeal, you are only appealing as the Keeper of the vehicle. DO NOT identify the driver, irrespective of who that was:

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I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability for this parking charge and appeal in full.

The parking operator bears the burden of proof. It must establish that a contravention occurred, that a valid contract was formed between the operator and the driver, and that it has lawful authority to operate and issue Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) in its own name. I therefore require the operator to provide the following:

1. Strict proof of clear, prominent, and adequate signage that was in place on the date in question, at the exact location of the alleged contravention. This must include a detailed site plan showing the placement of each sign and legible images of the signs in situ. The operator must demonstrate that signage was visible, legible, and compliant with the IPC Code of Practice that was valid at the time of the alleged contravention, including requirements relating to font size, positioning, and the communication of key terms.

2. Strict proof of a valid, contemporaneous contract or lease flowing from the landowner that authorises the operator to manage parking, issue PCNs, and pursue legal action in its own name. I refer the operator and the IAS assessor to Section 14 of the PPSCoP (Relationship with Landowner), which clearly sets out mandatory minimum requirements that must be evidenced before any parking charge may be issued on controlled land.

In particular, Section 14.1(a)–(j) requires the operator to have in place written confirmation from the landowner which includes:

• the identity of the landowner,
• a boundary map of the land to be managed,
• applicable byelaws,
• the duration and scope of authority granted,
• detailed parking terms and conditions including any specific permissions or exemptions,
• the means of issuing PCNs,
• responsibility for obtaining planning and advertising consents,
• and the operator’s obligations and appeal procedure under the Code.

These requirements are not optional. They are a condition precedent to issuing a PCN and bringing any associated action. Accordingly, I put the operator to strict proof of compliance with the entirety of Section 14 of the PPSCoP. Any document that contains redactions must not obscure the above conditions. The document must also be dated and signed by identifiable persons, with evidence of their authority to act on behalf of the parties to the agreement. The operator must provide an agreement showing clear authorisation from the landowner for this specific site.

3. Strict proof that the enforcement mechanism (e.g. ANPR or manual patrol) is reliable, synchronised, maintained, and calibrated regularly. The operator must prove the vehicle was present for the full duration alleged and not simply momentarily on site, potentially within a permitted consideration or grace period as defined by the PPSCoP.

4. Strict proof that the Notice to Keeper complies with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), if the operator is attempting to rely on keeper liability. Any failure to comply with the mandatory wording or timelines in Schedule 4 of PoFA renders keeper liability unenforceable.

5. The IAS claims that its assessors are “qualified solicitors or barristers.” Yet there is no way to verify this. Decisions are unsigned, anonymised, and unpublished. There is no transparency, no register of assessors, and no way for a motorist to assess the legal credibility of the individual supposedly adjudicating their appeal. If the person reading this really is legally qualified, they will know that without strict proof of landowner authority (VCS v HMRC [2013] EWCA Civ 186), no claim can succeed. They will also know that clear and prominent signage is a prerequisite for contract formation (ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67), and that keeper liability under PoFA is only available where strict statutory conditions are met.

If the assessor chooses to overlook these legal requirements and accept vague assertions or redacted documents from the operator, that will speak for itself—and lend further weight to the growing concern that this appeals service is neither independent nor genuinely legally qualified.

In short, I dispute this charge in its entirety and require full evidence of compliance with the law, industry codes of practice, and basic contractual principles.
There is zero chance of the IAS upholding any appeal but you go through the motions anyway. In the very remote chance that the operator concedes the appeal, then you should go out and buy a lottery ticket.

However, if it is not successful, it doesn't matter as their decision is not binding on you. You then can safely ignore all the useless debt recovery letters. Debt collectors are powerless to actually do anything except to try and make the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree pay up out of ignorance and fear.

Eventually, you will receive a Letter of Claim (LoC) from DCB Legal (not DCBL) and you come back and we advise on how to respond. in due course, they will issue a claim and we again advise on how to defend and provide a stable defence.

Eventually, the claim will be struck out or discontinued and that will be the end of the matter.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Thanks you for this. I’ll submit what you have provided to IAS.
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I have registered on IAS appeals and have until 23:59 16/6/25 to appeal. Should I leave it to close to the date to appeal does it make any difference?

Also am I being held liable for the charge?
(Sorry if that’s a dumb question). It’s asked on IAS portal. I just feel they are tricky.

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No reason to delay. Unless the Keeper (the person to whom the PCN is addressed) has identified the driver, then they have absolutely no idea who the driver is. The driver is always liable but if you are not identifying the driver, as is your legal right not to do so), then the only way they can transfer that liability from the unknown driver to the the known Keeper is if they have fully complied with all the requirements of PoFA.

They are attempting to invoke Keeper liability under PoFA. So, you are only appealing as the Keeper. They are trying to hold you liable as the Keeper. So, you are being held liable, but ONLY as the Keeper.

Do not select anything that would suggest that you are the driver. At the end of the day though, it really doesn't matter because there is about zero chance of the IAS ever accepting an appeal anyway. You are appealing to the IAS, simply to frustrate the parking operator because they either have to respond to all the points in the appeal and also pay the IAS for the privilege of their decision. If the IAS agrees that the PCN should be cancelled, it will cost them £25 and if they don't, it will cost them £15. However, if they concede, it will cost them nothing.

It's a pittance as far as they are concerned but a lovely buggerance factor for them as far as we are concerned.

If you win or they concede, that's the end of the matter. If you lose, which is the most likely outcome because the IAS is an incestuous, kangaroo court, the decision is not binding on you and you carry on fighting the, content in the knowledge that it cost the operator £15 and is going to cost them more if they want to try and escalate it with almost no chance of recovering any of it.

The whole exercise in pursuing you is the hope that you are low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree and will eventually pay up out of ignorance and fear.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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The keeper’s appeal in the first post identified the driver.

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Doesn't matter in this IAS appeal. IPark Services will eventually sue using the utter incompetents at DCB Legal and as long as the claim is defended, it will not progress beyond a strike out or a discontinuation.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Morning all, The prima facie case from Ipark is uploaded on IAS. The options are to provide a response or refer straight to arbitration. Do i add a response or go straight to arbitration?
Thanks

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If you respond now, by rebutting each of the incorrect points they make and by pointing out your points that they implicitly agree with, it is still unlikely that the IAS will uphold your appeal, but the work that you do now will also form the basis of the defence you submit when DCB Legal get involved. Once DCB Legal see your defence they will, eventually, discontinue the case against you, after lots of bluster and then offers to settle for less than they originally demanded. If you stay the course you will pay nothing.
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