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Hi. Hope someone can help me here with advice.

I have received a CN/NTK from VCS for stopping at Liverpool Airport.

There are 3 photos on the notice of my car. I am the keeper.

As I understand it the driver, drove in to pick up a friend. If you know the layout, they turned right at the roundabout to look for the free area they had used on a previous occasion. With this not being obviously there, they did a 3 point turn and came back to the roundabout and went straight over. This took them immediately into a car park. At the barrier they pressed the telecom and asked how to get out. The operator surprisingly allowed them to drive through the packed car park and out the other side. They then went back over the roundabout to see if they could find the free area. At this point the passenger phoned and so they turned to head back. At the roundabout, as going round, they saw their friend and turned sharply right to see if there was anywhere to stop. The road was very short with a fence/gate at the end and as they turned the friend arrived at the car. Not even having pulled over, the friend opened the boot put in his case and jumped in the car. Paused for literally seconds.

The photos show this with the car in the middle of the road,not pulled to the side. They also show no cars about but a few people crossing behind the car.

Apparently there are signs saying no stopping but what do you do, drive past your friend, spend 15mins looking for a space in a car park, to immediately leave.

Beyond ridiculous.

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Re: Liverpool airport £100 for stopping
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Re: Liverpool airport £100 for stopping
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I know LJLA well as I live locally. As advised, show us the Charge Notice (CN) you received. As the location is not relevant land for the purposes of PoFA as it is covered by airport byelaws, the Keeper cannot be liable and they have no idea who the driver is. As the Keeper is under no legal obligation to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking company, you should not do so.

Also, the signage as you enter LJLA is incapable of forming a contract as it is prohibitory and makes no offer that can be accepted. Therefore, no contract was entered into by the driver.

The CN is nothing more than a speculative invoice for an alleged breach of contract by the driver. Not that that will do much for now.

The initial appeal will be rejected and it is not worth wasting any effort on the secondary IAS appeal. This is how it will pan out, if you follow the advice...

Initial appeal rejected. Ignore all useless debt recovery letters. Eventually, a Letter of claim (LoC) is issued. After that is responded to with our assistance, an N1SDT Claim Form from the CNBC will be received and again, we will provide the necessary defence. In due course, the claim is either struck out or discontinued.

You have to understand that this is a well trodden process and they are hoping that you are low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree that will eventually pay up out of ignorance and fear. Our advice will guide you through this and if you follow it, you won't be paying a penny to VCS.

For now, show us the CN but you can also appeal with the following:

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I am the registered keeper. VCS cannot hold a registered keeper liable for any alleged contravention on land that is under statutory control. As a matter of fact and law, VCS will be well aware that they cannot use the PoFA provisions because Liverpool John Lennon Airport (LJLA) is not 'relevant land'.

If LJLA wanted to hold owners or keepers liable under Airport Bylaws, that would be within the landowner's gift and another matter entirely. However, not only is that not pleaded, it is also not legally possible because VCS is not the Airport owner and your 'parking charge' is not and never attempts to be a penalty. It is created for VCS's own profit (as opposed to a bylaws penalty that goes to the public purse) and VCS has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. VCS have no hope should you try to litigate, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2025, 04:28:22 pm by b789 »
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Re: Liverpool airport £100 for stopping
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Obviously I take all identifiable details out of the notice I post on here. Do you need to see the images? They'd identify the case (if any prying eyes were on here)?

Re: Liverpool airport £100 for stopping
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You can take the tin-foil hat off. Even if there was an imaginary team of hooded “yoofs” scouring the internet for cases to identify, what do you imagine they can do about it?

You are sourcing advice on how to deal with a scam. What do you think they could do about it? All you have to do is refer to the driver in the third person, which you have. End of.

Yes, you can show the images. Even if there is a clear enough image of someone, how do you imagine they can identify that person? There is no magical unicorn database that an image of someone can be fed into and out will pop a detailed list with their name and address. They are not the police who can legally ise forensics to try and identify someone in a criminal case. This is a civil contractual dispute.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Liverpool airport £100 for stopping
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As above. VCS issue around 400 charges per day, they're unlikely to be scouring the forums for the very small percentage of people who get advice and put up a decent fight.

Re: Liverpool airport £100 for stopping
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Re: Liverpool airport £100 for stopping
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As you can see from the CN, they are relying on a breach of a contractual term:

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The charge has been incurred for the reason stated and liability brought to the attention of the driver by the Terms and Conditions displayed on signage placed at the entrance to the controlled area (site) and in prominent places throughout.

If you look at the signs when entering LJLA, you will see this:



Please show us how this sign is capable of forming a contract with the driver:



The sign cannot form a valid contract because it does not offer any terms that a driver can accept. Instead, it simply forbids stopping and threatens a £100 charge if a driver does stop. For a contract to be formed, there must be an offer, acceptance, and some form of benefit or consideration. This sign provides none of that—it gives no option to park under certain conditions or for a fee.

Furthermore, Vehicle Control Services Ltd is an unregulated private parking company and has no statutory authority to issue penalties. Only public bodies can issue fines or penalties. Since this £100 charge is not based on a valid contract and cannot lawfully be a penalty, it has no legal basis and is therefore unenforceable.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Liverpool airport £100 for stopping
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You should also note the following bit at the bottom of the notice (my emphasis):

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Important Note: If, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after the Issue Date of this Notice, the amount of the unpaid Charge specified in this Notice has not been paid in full and we do not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, we may pursue you (the Keeper) on the assumption you were the driver, for any unpaid balance of the Charge.

Now have a read of this persuasive appeals case which is about "assumption" that the Keeper was the driver:

VCS Limited v Ian Mark Edward (2023) [H0KF6C9C]

The most important bit of the appeal judge's decision is at paragraph 35.3:

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35.3. it is consistent with the appropriate probability analysis whereby simply because somebody is a registered keeper, it does not mean on balance of probability they were driving on this occasion, because one simply cannot tell. For example, there will be companies who are registered keepers of vehicles where many drivers have the use of the vehicle from time to time. There will be individual employers are the registered keeper but who allow a number of people who may drive their vehicles. There may be situations where husband and wife are each registered keepers of their respective vehicles but for some reason drive the other. Or there may be situations where husband/wife is the registered keeper of both family cars and the registered keeper regularly drives one car and their spouse regularly drives the other. These are all possibilities which show that it is not appropriate to draw an inference that, on balance of probability, the registered keeper was driving on any given occasion.

This would never get as far as a hearing. However, that does not mean that they are going to fight you all the way. You can rely on our advice and experience to get this defeated and you also get a life lesson on your rights and how to stand up for them against rogue, ex-clamper scammers like VCS.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain


Re: Liverpool airport £100 for stopping
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You are also advised to submit a formal complaint to the DVLA because VCS having obtained your data, are now using it unlawfully. Here’s how to make a DVLA complaint:

• Go to: https://contact.dvla.gov.uk/complaints
• Select: “Making a complaint or compliment about the Vehicles service you have received”
• Enter your personal details, contact details, and vehicle details
• Use the text box to summarise your complaint or insert a covering note
• You will then be able to upload a file (up to 19.5 MB) — this can be your full complaint or supporting evidence
That’s it.

The DVLA is required to record, investigate and respond to every complaint about a private parking company. If everyone who encounters a breach took the time to submit a complaint, we might finally see the DVLA take meaningful action—whether that means curtailing or removing KADOE access altogether.

For the text part of the complaint the webform could use the following:

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I am submitting a formal complaint against Vehicle Control Services Ltd (VCS), an IPC AOS member with DVLA KADOE access, for breaching the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) after obtaining my personal data.

While the Operator may have had reasonable cause at the time of their KADOE request, their subsequent misuse of my data—through conduct that contravenes the PPSCoP—renders that use unlawful. The PPSCoP forms an integral part of the DVLA’s governance framework for data access by private parking firms. Continued access is conditional on compliance.

The DVLA, as data controller, is obliged under UK GDPR and the Data Protection Act 2018 to investigate and take enforcement action when data is misused following release. This complaint is not about whether the data was obtained lawfully at the outset, but whether its subsequent use breached the terms under which it was provided.

I have prepared a supporting statement setting out the nature of the breach and the Operator’s actions, and I request a full investigation into this matter. I have attached the supporting document.

Please acknowledge receipt and confirm the reference number for this complaint.

Then you could upload the following as a PDF file for the formal complaint itself:

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SUPPORTING STATEMENT

Complaint to DVLA – Breach of KADOE Contract and PPSCoP

Operator name: Vehicle Control Services Ltd (VCS) 
Date of PCN issue: 8 May 2025 
Vehicle registration: [INSERT VRM]

I am submitting this complaint to report a misuse of my personal data by Vehicle Control Services Ltd (VCS), who obtained my keeper details from the DVLA under the KADOE (Keeper At Date Of Event) contract.

Although VCS may have had reasonable cause to request my data initially, the way they have used that data afterwards amounts to unlawful processing. This is because they have acted in breach of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP), which is a mandatory requirement for access to DVLA keeper data. The PPSCoP forms part of the framework that regulates how parking companies must behave once they have received keeper data from the DVLA.

The KADOE contract makes clear that keeper data may only be used to pursue an unpaid parking charge in line with the Code of Practice. If a parking company fails to comply with the PPSCoP after receiving DVLA data, their use of that data becomes unlawful, as they are no longer using it for a permitted purpose.

In this case, VCS has breached the PPSCoP and misused the Keeper’s data in the following ways:

• The signage relied on at Liverpool John Lennon Airport is incapable of forming a contract. It clearly prohibits stopping and threatens a £100 charge for doing so. This is not an invitation to treat or an offer of terms that can be accepted by conduct. There is no consideration or benefit offered to the driver, which is a fundamental requirement for a binding contract. Therefore, the signage cannot form a lawful contract, and the £100 charge is not a contractual fee but an unenforceable deterrent. A charge issued under these circumstances has no lawful basis.

• The land is under statutory control via airport byelaws, meaning it is not classified as “relevant land” for the purposes of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA). Because of this, the provisions in PoFA that allow a parking operator to pursue the registered Keeper in the absence of driver details do not apply on this site. This is a settled point in parking law, and VCS knows or ought to know that PoFA cannot be invoked in these circumstances.

• Despite PoFA not applying, VCS has deliberately copied wording from Paragraph 9(2)(f) of Schedule 4 of PoFA into the Notice to Keeper. The notice states: “we may pursue you (the Keeper) on the assumption you were the driver.” This is a direct mimicry of PoFA’s statutory language and is used deceptively to suggest that the Keeper can be held liable even when the legal basis to do so does not exist. This is both misleading and unfair, and in direct breach of the requirement under Section 3.3 of the PPSCoP to act “professionally, fairly and transparently.”

• The conduct of VCS in relying on such language has already been criticised in court. In the persuasive County Court appeal case VCS v Ian Mark Edwards [2023] HOKF6C9C, HHJ Gargan made clear in his conclusion at paragraph 35.3 that:

It is not appropriate to draw an inference that, on balance of probability, the registered keeper was driving on any given occasion.

The judge offered several examples of common scenarios (e.g. company cars, shared family vehicles) to show that assuming the Keeper was also the driver is speculative and unsupported. This is directly relevant, and VCS’s continued use of that assumption—despite this ruling—shows a wilful disregard for the law and judicial guidance.

• VCS is a private company with no statutory or lawful authority to issue penalties for stopping. They are not a public authority, and cannot lawfully impose or enforce fines. The £100 demand is therefore not a penalty lawfully issued under any statutory enforcement power, but rather a speculative invoice dressed up in intimidating language. This is especially concerning given VCS’s background as a former clamping company, a practice now banned in England and Wales under the Protection of Freedoms Act. Their current business model is essentially a continuation of the same coercive tactics, but now using CCTV and misleading notices.

• This behaviour is consistent with what many consider to be vexatious conduct, designed not to recover genuine losses, but to pressure registered Keepers into payment through legally questionable means. It is also arguably in breach of the UK GDPR principles of fairness and purpose limitation, as the DVLA-supplied data is being used in a way that is not compatible with its stated purpose: namely, to pursue a lawful charge in accordance with the relevant Code of Practice.

These actions represent serious, systemic breaches of the PPSCoP and undermine the lawful basis on which VCS was permitted to access and use DVLA Keeper data. They are not minor technical issues but deliberate and recurring tactics used by an unregulated private operator with a track record of aggressive enforcement and disregard for due process.

The DVLA remains the Data Controller for the data it releases under KADOE, and is therefore responsible for ensuring that personal data is not misused by third parties. This includes taking action against AOS operators who breach the conditions under which the data was provided. I am therefore asking the DVLA to investigate this breach and to take appropriate action under the terms of the KADOE contract.

This may include:

• Confirming that a breach has occurred 
• Taking enforcement action against the operator 
• Suspending or terminating their KADOE access if warranted

I have attached relevant supporting material with this statement. Please confirm receipt and provide a reference for this complaint. I am also happy to provide further information if required.

Name: [INSERT YOUR NAME]
Date: [INSERT DATE]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Liverpool airport £100 for stopping
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Thanks for all that advice.

So I'll create a reply to them based on B789 wording and complain to DVLA too.

Re: Liverpool airport £100 for stopping
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I didn't't advise that your "create a reply" based on what I said you should put in your initial appeal. Just use that exact wording. No need to edit or amend it. Just make sure that if you submit it using their webform, that you DO NOT select any option that suggest you are appealing as the driver. You are appealing ONLY as the Keeper or "other".

The initial appeal is going to be rejected, no matter what you put in, so don't complicate this by trying to be clever with your appeal.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Liverpool airport £100 for stopping
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Thanks for the advice. Can I just check please. I'm putting the 3 paragraphs from your original reply in my appeal to myparkingcharge website, not anything from the second reply?

I've been down this path before helping my son out with a parking charge 3 years ago so I know about the long drawn out process before they drop it at the last moment!

If you can confirm that would be great and then I'll do the DVLA complaint too.

Thanks

Re: Liverpool airport £100 for stopping
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I am the registered keeper. VCS cannot hold a registered keeper liable for any alleged contravention on land that is under statutory control. As a matter of fact and law, VCS will be well aware that they cannot use the PoFA provisions because Liverpool John Lennon Airport (LJLA) is not 'relevant land'.

If LJLA wanted to hold owners or keepers liable under Airport Bylaws, that would be within the landowner's gift and another matter entirely. However, not only is that not pleaded, it is also not legally possible because VCS is not the Airport owner and your 'parking charge' is not and never attempts to be a penalty. It is created for VCS's own profit (as opposed to a bylaws penalty that goes to the public purse) and VCS has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. VCS have no hope should you try to litigate, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

This is all you need for the initial appeal. Don't waste time and effort as they will reject any initial appeal, no matter what is in it. You are simply letting them know that you are not low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain