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Hi,

Apologies for any mistake - I am new to this forum and this is my first post (have read the guide, as advised).

Received a Letter of Claim from DCB Legal Ltd on behalf of Euro Car Parks Ltd. Particulars of claim mentions -

- The Defendant is pursued as the driver of the vehicle for breach of terms of signs(the contract). Reason: Your vehicle was parked longer than the maximum period allowed
- In the alternative the defendant is pursued as the keeper pursuant to POFA 2012 Schedule 4
AND THE CLAIMANT CLAIMS £170 being the total of the PCs and damages...

etc..


I have 14 days (from issue date) to reply to this claim.


Please can someone from this forum help on what I should do next. Happy to share letter of claim, claim form, etc. if more details required.


Thank you for giving due consideration to the request.

Much appreciated.


Regards,

Josh

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The guide says
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3. Post the notice(s) you have received – as well as providing important context, the notices may contain/omit details that can be used to help you successfully fight the charge. Upload photos of any and all notices you have received from the parking company. You should show us all pages of the notice(s), remove personal details (name/address, PCN reference number, Vehicle Registration Mark), but show us all dates and times. Details that you think are trivial could help you win, so don’t leave anything out.

Ideally you will have sought advice here before taking action, but if you have already responded, show us any correspondence you have sent, and the response(s) you have received in return.

What exactly have you done up to the point the claim was issued? Did you appeal or enter into any communication about this?

You are late coming to us. Had you come here first, we could have advised you about the fact that as long as the driver is not identified, they cannot rely on PoFA 2012 to hold the known Keeper liable as the location is within the Byelaws boundary of Gatwick Airport. The fact they have issued a claim, suggest you have made a few mistakes already.


However, all is not lost. Any claim issued by DCB Legal on behalf of ECP will be either struck out or discontinued if you follow the advice. I say this with greater than 99% certainty.

Please answer this vital question first... What is the issue date of the claim?
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Hi,

Apologies for the delayed response. One of my boys is not well and had to spend some time with him.

I have not taken any actions so far - not responded to any letters or debt collector demand to pay fine or parking notice. No correspondence / no communication from me so far. Not sure if I made any mistakes by not responding.

The issue date is 24 June 2025.

I will scan and post the notice/s (as advised without personal details) here tomorrow morning.

Once again thank you for the prompt response.

Much appreciated

Regards,
Josh




A Letter of Claim requires 30 days for a response, I believe, not 14 days (Section 3.4 of https://www.justice.gov.uk/documents/debt-pap.pdf).
An appeal might have led to a cancellation by POPLA, but now you’re too late and the process of taking this to court has started.
Follow advice here and the claim will eventually be discontinued, it will just require some attention to formal paperwork.
« Last Edit: July 03, 2025, 07:44:53 am by jfollows »

This is NOT an LoC!!!! This an actual claim that has been issued. You do NOT have 30 days at all!!!

It is better to not have responded to anything than to have responded with the wrong/bad information. For now, continue to follow the advice.

With an issue date of 24th June, you have until 4pm on Monday 14th July to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Monday 28th July to submit your defence.

If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Otherwise, here is the defence and link to the draft order that goes with it. You only need to edit your name and the claim number. You sign the defence by typing your full name for the signature and date it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order.

When you're ready you combine both documents as a single PDF attachment and send as an attachment in an email to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The claim number must be in the email subject field and in the body of the email just put: "Please find attached the defence and draft order in the matter of Euro Car Parks Ltd v [your full name] Claim no.: [claim number]."

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

Euro Car Parks Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16.7.3(1);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts)

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant attaches to this defence a copy of a draft order approved by a district judge at another court. The court struck out the claim of its own initiative after determining that the Particulars of Claim failed to comply with CPR 16.4. The judge noted that the claimant had failed to:

(i) Set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions relied upon;

(ii) Adequately explain the reasons why the defendant was allegedly in breach of contract;

(iii) Provide separate, detailed Particulars of Claim as permitted under CPR PD 7C.5.2(2).

(iv) The court further observed that, given the modest sum claimed, requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, the judge struck out the claim outright rather than permitting an amendment.

5. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim for the Claimant’s failure to comply with CPR 16.4.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Hi,

Sorry I got this wrong - yes, it is the actual claim issued. I have attached as advised.

I am travelling next week so would like to submit the defence asap ( by tomorrow, if possible). Just some more clarifications on what I do next before I submit anything:

1. If I use the Defence suggested below with my name and claim number (and email to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk ) do I still have to complete 'Defence and Counterclaim' form N9B, as mentioned in response pack attached?

2. Do I need special permission to access dropbox (Draft Order for the defence) link below:

Draft Order for the defence

I can't access, giving error message below:

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Hmmm… can't reach this page
It looks like the webpage at https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/tcewefk7daozuje25chkl/Strikeout-order-v2.pdf?rlkey=wxnymo8mwcma2jj8xihjm7pdx&st=nbtf0cn6&dl=0 might be having issues, or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.
ERR_TUNNEL_CONNECTION_FAILED
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Thank you for all your help so far.

Much appreciated.

Regards,
Josh



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I can access the Dropbox page, I just tried now.


Ok - I just checked again on another computer and can access it.

My work computer (security setup) was blocking it.


So, do I complete the form N9B as well ?


1. If I use the Defence suggested below with my name and claim number (and email to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk ) do I still have to complete 'Defence and Counterclaim' form N9B, as mentioned in response pack attached?


Thanks


DO NOT use the forms that came in the response pack. You can discard those. All you need to keep is the N1SDT Claim Form that has the Particulars of Claim (PoC).

You simply email the defence and draft order as a single PDF document attached in an email as advised.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Thanks - I am working on this now, will write back if need more details/guidance.

I will also keep you guys posted on the outcome.

Regards,
Josh


I have now submitted the defence and draft order as one pdf, as advised,  and received an acknowledgement as well.

Any updates, will keep you informed.

Many thanks for all your time and effort helping me with this one.

Much appreciated.


Regards,

Josh

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Hi All,

Hope you all had a good summer break.

I went away after submitting the defence and draft order as advised and last week I received a  Notice of Proposed Allocation to Small Claims Track and Directions Questionnaire.

I must by 22 Sept 2025 complete the Small Claims Directions Questionnaire (Form N180) and file it with the court office.

Please can someone advise on the next step just to make sure I am doing things correctly.

Many thanks,

Josh

Put

N180

in the forum’s search box and follow the instructions at, for example, https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/any-way-to-redeem-this-situation/msg88572/#msg88572

 @jfollows

Thank you for the prompt response.

As advised, I have downloaded and followed the  steps recommended below:

I have added my personal details in Section B and completed the C1, D1, F1 and F3 as advised.

Can I leave the rest of the sections (E on mediation, F4-F6 on dates and interpreter, G other information - Welsh & English, etc) blank email the form to the addresses mentioned?


Thanks,

Josh


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Having received your own N180, do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.

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