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Re: Napier parking - overstayed 20 minutes and train delay
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Do you think I could win, considering I  stupidly identified myself as the driver and i'm out of the reasonable grace period of 10 minutes?
Napier will most definitely take the matter to court, so my options are:

1. I pay £60 now
2. I pay £100 after IAS rejects my appeal (they almost certainly will)
3. The matter will be escalated to court, with the possibily of paying over £300 in case I lose.


I think I have put myself in a position where there's a considerable chance of me losing the claim?

Forgive my english, but I'm not native and jargon such as this is difficult for me. I understand you're trying to help me and I really appreciate this, I'm not being ungrateful. I just think my chances to avoid the charge are rather slim.

« Last Edit: December 17, 2025, 01:08:12 pm by gentleman_ »

Re: Napier parking - overstayed 20 minutes and train delay
« Reply #16 on: »
so to clarify you were parked in the car park directly next to Sainsbury's?
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Re: Napier parking - overstayed 20 minutes and train delay
« Reply #17 on: »
yes, parked exactly there

Re: Napier parking - overstayed 20 minutes and train delay
« Reply #18 on: »
You have already identified yourself as the driver, so there is no value in arguing about keeper liability or PoFA. Napier do not need PoFA if they can pursue you as the driver on a contractual basis.

On the face of it, their paperwork and the signage are at least broadly aligned. The sign makes it clear that the “duration of stay” is calculated from the point of entry to the point of exit, and it states a £100 parking charge for breach of any term. The NtK then alleges an “overstay of paid for parking session” and relies on ANPR entry and exit times to calculate the total stay. So the NtK is not obviously pursuing a different basis from the sign; it is applying the sign’s “time on site” model.

However, there may still be mileage in a contract-based challenge, but it is fact-dependent and it is not a technical PoFA point. The strongest potential angles are:

1. Incorporation and prominence of the key term. If the entry-to-exit timing term was not sufficiently prominent at the entrance and/or was not reasonably readable before you became committed to parking, you can argue that this key term was not properly incorporated into any contract.

2. Unfairness and lack of a reasonable means to perform the contract. Your central point is that you paid for four hours and only overstayed by around twenty minutes, and the payment system apparently jumped from four hours to twenty-four hours. If, at the material time, there was no reasonable mechanism to extend the session or pay the additional time, and this was not clearly explained on the signage, you can argue that the way the terms operate is unfair because it exposes a consumer to a £100 charge for a modest overrun when the consumer has no practical way to comply.

3. Authority and standing. Even if you were the driver, Napier still have to have proper landholder authority to offer parking on those terms and to enforce charges in their own name, and they must prove the vehicle was in the part of the site covered by their signage and contract.

If you want to run this as a contract dispute, the focus should not be “PoFA” but evidence. You need photos of the entrance signage, the payment machine/app screen showing the tariff options at the time, and the terms displayed on-site. The argument then becomes: the key terms were not properly brought to your attention and/or the payment system and terms were not fair or transparent because you could not reasonably pay for the small additional time needed.

Napier usually use the utter incompetents at Gladstones to issue their claims, which means you can guarantee that they will not comply with CPR16.4(1)(a) which always leaves the claim open to a strike out.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Napier parking - overstayed 20 minutes and train delay
« Reply #19 on: »

1. I pay £60 now
2. I pay £100 after IAS rejects my appeal (they almost certainly will)
3. The matter will be escalated to court, with the possibily of paying over £300 in case I lose.


Where did you get the £300 figure from? This seems unlikely to me.

Having been in your situation a few times, in all honestly it is probably less hassle to pay the £60.  The court process is simple, but also long and drawn out.  But for me it's not just about money.  It's the principle.  I consider that if I give them £60 they will use this to fund their scam, approaching new landowners citing all their successful operations, sending more threatening letters to other marks.  Each £60 probably funds the harassment of another 10 people.  Some of these will be people who would never even think of checking a forum and discovering the truth.  Perhaps older people who would always assume that this kind of thing is legitimate.

If everyone took every "ticket" all the way to court, these bottom-feeders would very quickly go out of business.  So i see it as my duty to challenge each one, personally.
« Last Edit: December 18, 2025, 10:15:03 am by dave-o »

Re: Napier parking - overstayed 20 minutes and train delay
« Reply #20 on: »
Been looking around, and it seems that the additional cost varies between £150 and £200
If I were in a strongest position I would definitely challenge, but in the current situation and also giving the identity of the driver away, I don't think it's worth it. At least for me.
Napier Parking seems to be in a decent strong position for this charge, I believe I don't have a strong ground. I will actively avoid anything that is managed by this company in the future considering is one of the worst, and this time I'll pay 60.

Re: Napier parking - overstayed 20 minutes and train delay
« Reply #21 on: »
Been looking around, and it seems that the additional cost varies between £150 and £200
If I were in a strongest position I would definitely challenge, but in the current situation and also giving the identity of the driver away, I don't think it's worth it. At least for me.
Napier Parking seems to be in a decent strong position for this charge, I believe I don't have a strong ground. I will actively avoid anything that is managed by this company in the future considering is one of the worst, and this time I'll pay 60.

You are over analysing this.

You are in a stronger position than you believe - your exposure to the wording on the various letters is causing you a certain amount of panic - this is what the parking operator wants.

The parking operator manages a car park next to a railway station - it is therefore likely that, from time to time, a train might be delayed and a driver suffers a slight overstay. This is very much 'the nature of the business' in running such a car park. If the operator gives you no route to amend your parking time then you already have a massively strong defence.


Re: Napier parking - overstayed 20 minutes and train delay
« Reply #22 on: »
Below is some evidence for you.

The link will show you a jpeg of your late running train.



https://ibb.co/fzgd8YJ3

Re: Napier parking - overstayed 20 minutes and train delay
« Reply #23 on: »
Thanks,
I have the evidence but Napier Parking enphasises that they're not affiliated with any trains or train companies, and it's a car park that albeit close to the train station might be used for other purposes. I believe they are in a stronger position than I am, and since I apparently gave away my best line of defence I fear I'll go through a process that it will end up in me paying the charge plus extra.

Re: Napier parking - overstayed 20 minutes and train delay
« Reply #24 on: »
The parking operator will ALWAYS emphasise how good their position is while ALWAYS down playing your position - that is 100% part of their statistical game play.

Remember that this is an unregulated business.

You are a legitimate customer whose train was slightly delayed - ask yourself why they would want to charge you £100 for that 20 minute delay? Do you think £100 is a fair price for 20 minutes parking in Chippenham?

The claim of being able to charge you £100 comes from an unfair term or condition in a consumer contract - the law protects you against that but the parking operator will NEVER admit that at this stage as it is not in their interest to do so.

There will be other inadequacies in their case if the matter progresses and we will beat them on those as well.