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Hi,

I'm looking for some advice. So basically myself and my partner parked outside a pub (Merton Pub, Bootle). One of us went across the road to the bank while the driver paid for parking. When then driver when over to the machine it only took cash with no card option or way to pay online. The parking way very cheap only 50p for an hour. The driver went back and waited in the car to see if the passenger had cash to pay (they didnt). It was after covid nobody really carried cash. Also if you bought something from the pub they would refund you the parking. Anyway since neither of us had cash or any way to pay we left the car park after 16 minutes (this is what Euro parks said in their penalty notice). The driver was in the vehicle the whole time other than when they got out to check the machine. The driver tried to contest the fine but was unsuccessful. Since Feb 2022 they have received numerous letters but ignored them. The letters stopped for about a year so we assumed that was that but a few months ago they started again ( 2 warning letters) and then a money claims letter from HM courts. The legal company is DCB legal Ltd. I'll enclose the letter. I'm not well versed in this and part of me thinks so I just pay the amount to reduce all the stress and anxiety but the other part of me thinks that's a joke £290.84 over a 50p parking ticket is absolutely ridiculous and extortionate. The pub in question isn't even there anymore but I plan on driving down the the site to see if the old parking meter is still there.

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Re: Issued with a money claims by Euro car parks Ltd, Liverpool
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Follow the advice and this will either be struck out or discontinued. It would help if you could show us the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) received and exactly what you put in your appeal.

With an issue date of 29th April, you have until 4pm on Monday 19th May to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Monday 2nd June to submit your defence.

If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Otherwise, here is the defence and link to the draft order that goes with it. You only need to edit your name and the claim number. You sign the defence by typing your full name for the signature and date it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order.

When you're ready you combine both documents as a single PDF attachment and send as an attachment in an email to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The claim number must be in the email subject field and in the body of the email just put: "Please find attached the defence and draft order in the matter of Euro Car Parks Ltd v [your full name] Claim no.: [claim number]."

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

Euro Car Parks Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts)

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant attaches to this defence a copy of a draft order approved by a district judge at another court. The court struck out the claim of its own initiative after determining that the Particulars of Claim failed to comply with CPR 16.4. The judge noted that the claimant had failed to:

(i) Set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions relied upon;

(ii) Adequately explain the reasons why the defendant was allegedly in breach of contract;

(iii) Provide separate, detailed Particulars of Claim as permitted under CPR PD 7C.5.2(2).

(iv) The court further observed that, given the modest sum claimed, requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, the judge struck out the claim outright rather than permitting an amendment.

5. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim for the Claimant’s failure to comply with CPR 16.4.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence
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Re: Issued with a money claims by Euro car parks Ltd, Liverpool
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Thank you for providing this information. Annoyingly I can't find my reply to the original parking notice but I had basically said the same as my original post however... the driver may have identified themselves as the driver...  :(. I drove back down to the where the parking fine was relieved and the pub has gone. There is still a parking however the company isn't Euro parks anymore and it's looks like the parking meter has been updated.

I have submitted the defence as you suggested.

I hope the claim gets struck out or discontinued anyway thank you again and I hope you enjoy your time away.

Re: Issued with a money claims by Euro car parks Ltd, Liverpool
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You don’t need to find anything. It is the claimants job to evidence their claim, not for you to try and figure out what they are claiming for.

If their PoC do not fully explain their cause of action, then they are obliged to submit further, more detailed PoC within 14 days of the claim.

They haven’t and are therefore in breach of CPR 16.4.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain